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Post by vargaskinn on Mar 7, 2006 20:44:04 GMT 2
I've been SO bloody pissed off lately that I have to open a topic of this type.I'm sorry if it offends someone,it is not the intention!Well,defining metal...the world of non conformism,alternative way of life,where we run to escape the pressure and opression of the outer world.A place where a guy can be open-minded,savage,wild,wear weird clothes and long hair,create something,be heard;what he thinks,believes,express his art...what about girls? Girls run to metal to meet the same opression.In my country,it would be enough for a girl to climb the stage to be scorned,much before even starting to play or sing anything.("Take off your clothes,whore...")You have to spit blood to form any kind of band,my sister and I really did almost everything...let's not even mention the "proper"behaviour.It is alright if a man is savage and energic on the scene and if he wears shabby clothes,but a girl should be a beauty in those beauty and the beast shows(you all know what kind of vocals are desirable from a woman,also what kind of clothes)Many metalheads in my country date fancy girls claiming that metal girls,at least those true ones,are ugly(of course,no make-up,no tight cloths)The gothic girls can be considered,because they are just a different type of fancy girls!Where should a girl go to be respected for her art,music,to be allowed to be a non conformist and be accepted as such?All we are in metal is the same that we are in the mainstream world;bloody sex symbols that probably "don't even know anything about music", so it's really funny when a girl plays or sings or talks about music,they should know their place,of course,and what is expected from them...Girls,come on report!I want to know the situation in your countries;is it better?Worse?The same?How many of you have tried to form a band,or if you have one,especially if it is purely or at least half female band(there are many bands with one female member),how do people treat you?How do you cope with the prejudice?(Or perhaps your homeland is very developed and has surpassed that)Share your experience with me!!! Sincerely yours,Vargaskinn(or the Girl With the Wolfskin:) ))))
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Post by janneke on Mar 7, 2006 21:35:04 GMT 2
I know what you mean, and I think you're right. But there's one main thing that makes the difference: Gender. There are more male than female metalheads, and male metalheads like tits, metal and beer, very much beer. Female metalheads usually like beer too, but they seem less obsessed by sex. They don't announce it the way some men do during concerts/festivals or whatever. Not all the male metalheads will see women in metal just as a sex symbols, the ones who respect women, will not scream intimidating things, simply 'cuz they have respect.
I play in a metalband myself, for 3 years (right Stony) and I never had troubles with it. But when you enter the stage, you know that people will gonna speak about you, if it's not about your hotness or uglyness, it's about your tallness, the way you headbang, the clothes you're wearing. People always find things to complain about. And if it's about that, I just laugh about it.
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Post by frostheim on Mar 7, 2006 22:25:10 GMT 2
About attitudes, achievements and status: MYTHICHail and respect!
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Post by mmaartijn on Mar 7, 2006 22:49:15 GMT 2
I know what you mean, and I think you're right. But there's one main thing that makes the difference: Gender. There are more male than female metalheads, and male metalheads like tits, metal and beer, very much beer. Female metalheads usually like beer too, but they seem less obsessed by sex. They don't announce it the way some men do during concerts/festivals or whatever. Not all the male metalheads will see women in metal just as a sex symbols, the ones who respect women, will not scream intimidating things, simply 'cuz they have respect. I play in a metalband myself, for 3 years (right Stony) and I never had troubles with it. But when you enter the stage, you know that people will gonna speak about you, if it's not about your hotness or uglyness, it's about your tallness, the way you headbang, the clothes you're wearing. People always find things to complain about. And if it's about that, I just laugh about it. She's right, there will always be comment on you, also when you're a guy As long as you perform well and you know how to entertain people, it's okay. About a girl in the band (referres to Janneke ), it's much more fun than only with guys although when you're talking about women and making fun of them, it's not always nice with her there ;D But she get's used to it Males are always sexists and you can't help it
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Post by icydragon on Mar 7, 2006 23:49:25 GMT 2
women in metal, hmmm...well as far as i know ther arent any FULL female metal band (all the members r female) but i know that Evanesence (amy lee), Nightwish (tarja turnruen (i cant spell her last name )) lacuna coil (Cristina Scabbia) are metal
i also think that critics prefer guy metals than to female metals. but it doesnt matter what gender u r, they always find something wrond with something, u say/do.
my point of view is that because guys where the first to form metal bands (i think), they think that women cant do a proper job of being in a metal band,( which sucks).
also, mmaartijn, you have a point, 'males are always the sexists and you cant help it'. most women ( i think) jsut cant b bothered to form a metal band or sing in one, they just let the men do all the work
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Post by Nordis on Mar 8, 2006 0:08:29 GMT 2
women in metal, hmmm...well as far as i know ther arent any FULL female metal band (all the members r female) but i know that Evanesence (amy lee), Nightwish (tarja turnruen (i cant spell her last name )) lacuna coil (Cristina Scabbia) are metal Wrong. Didn't Frostheim just drop a link to one of those? And all bald people are skinheads and black people murderers and thieves I can't recall too many things from the close history that weren't first made by guys. Who knows, maybe women invented wheel and fire but unfortunately there's not any record about it. The point is that it's not matter who invented something, you can still develop and find your very own ways to express something that's based on the thing that someone invented. And women are always nagging, throwing shoes and stabbing each other on the back. What, no? To be honest, I don't know a single girl who plays electric guitar, bass or so and is interested in forming a meta band, not even mentioning any kind of extreme metal. Every girl that plays something plays keyboards or then some flute or fiddle, some of them are in metal bands yes, but not as a traditional metal band member (vox, guitars, drums). The guys at audience that Vargaskinn described sound just like some typical 16yrs old retardos who should be kicked in the face, I've never heard anyone shouting stuff like that on metal gigs in here. I could keep a long preach about how metal is anything but "escaping the pressure of the ""outer world"" or "wearing" weird clothes for me, but nah. Who says girls can't form metal bands? You just don't do that as often as men. Edit: Sorry, I just have to pick on this one... but a girl should be a beauty in those beauty and the beast shows Just imagine if it was the opposite: A handsome thin guy singing the clean vocals and some... not-so-attractive woman doing the growls ;D
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Post by Crow on Mar 8, 2006 10:05:30 GMT 2
women in metal, hmmm...well as far as i know ther arent any FULL female metal band (all the members r female) but i know that Evanesence (amy lee), Nightwish (tarja turnruen (i cant spell her last name )) lacuna coil (Cristina Scabbia) are metal There are plenty of female fronted rock/metal bands. You already mentioned Nightwish, Evenesance and Lacuna Coil. How about The Gathering, Doro, Epica, After Forever, Within Temptation, and Heart for starters. Full female metal bands come and go. We had The Runaways (althought more rock then metal), Rock Goddess, Vixen, Girlschool, Phantom Blue, Kittie and the latest I heard about is Crucified Barbara from Sweden. I'm sure I forgot at least dozens of others. That's what we need in metal anyway, more women.
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Post by vargaskinn on Mar 8, 2006 15:27:30 GMT 2
Kuuraparta;what exactly do you mean by your comment? Nordi;my sister plays electric guitar and wants to form a band!Especially if it could be full female:)As beauty and the beast is concerned,I didn't mean that all women should growl to be real metal,but if they don't want to be "fine and proper",they don't have to.As for what metal means(escapism,art,clothes...)I think it's different for every single one of us,and it's a good thing.What I mostly like in metal is that it is so heterogenous
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Post by frostheim on Mar 8, 2006 16:42:46 GMT 2
Kuuraparta;what exactly do you mean by your comment? As the thread was about women in metal music, I just came up with thought of a band that in my humble opinion deserves certain attention, respect and appreciating for their somewhat remarkable (but sadly short) history and achievements in metal scene in general: they formed one of the first all-female bands ever and apparently the only one of their kind in the world to play doom/death metal. What it comes to their release "Mourning in the Winter Solstice", they showed a completely different and new form of attitude and strenght within the whole scene; they showed that the gender isn't a hindrance of any sort when the question is about harsh and brutal metal music that is usually led by men. It's a cold fact that Mythic performed their very unique expression in a much more heavier and rawer way than many of those bands with man members only, and in addition the vocalist Dana Duffey growled much more bestially and deeply than many men together. However, my point was only to encourage a bit to think about the situation in a somewhat wider scale what it comes to the whole scene, as well as just bring up a bit different point of view compared to that of the first posting in this thread. The beauty eats the balls of the beast, so to say. EDIT: I happen to know several female guitarists and bassists, and even here in Helsinki a couple of women who perform very talented and deep-sounding growl vocals too, and were they an "exception" in the scene or not and inspite of that there's naturally always something that need improvements, they're IMO however a very strong and effective proof of the situation that is after all not THAT desperate, miserable, oppressed or unresisting.
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Post by swordmaiden on Mar 19, 2006 1:07:27 GMT 2
women in metal, hmmm...well as far as i know ther arent any FULL female metal band (all the members r female) but i know that Evanesence (amy lee), Nightwish (tarja turnruen (i cant spell her last name )) lacuna coil (Cristina Scabbia) are metal Wrong. Didn't Frostheim just drop a link to one of those? And all bald people are skinheads and black people murderers and thieves I can't recall too many things from the close history that weren't first made by guys. Who knows, maybe women invented wheel and fire but unfortunately there's not any record about it. The point is that it's not matter who invented something, you can still develop and find your very own ways to express something that's based on the thing that someone invented. And women are always nagging, throwing shoes and stabbing each other on the back. What, no? To be honest, I don't know a single girl who plays electric guitar, bass or so and is interested in forming a meta band, not even mentioning any kind of extreme metal. Every girl that plays something plays keyboards or then some flute or fiddle, some of them are in metal bands yes, but not as a traditional metal band member (vox, guitars, drums). The guys at audience that Vargaskinn described sound just like some typical 16yrs old retardos who should be kicked in the face, I've never heard anyone shouting stuff like that on metal gigs in here. I could keep a long preach about how metal is anything but "escaping the pressure of the ""outer world"" or "wearing" weird clothes for me, but nah. Who says girls can't form metal bands? You just don't do that as often as men. Edit: Sorry, I just have to pick on this one... but a girl should be a beauty in those beauty and the beast shows Just imagine if it was the opposite: A handsome thin guy singing the clean vocals and some... not-so-attractive woman doing the growls ;D hehe i do play the drums and can do growlie vocals ...besides normal vocals hehe. i never noticed guys saying anything about girls at shows, usually some girls will scream out for the guys to take their shirts off as a joke haha. beauty and the beast shows...its not over till the fat lady troll growls! what is this thing with weird clothes? what weird clothes vargaskinn? i don't really see the issue here, just start a band and do not care what others think. hehe maybe i will move to croatia and start a band with vargaskinn.
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Post by twilightheart on Mar 19, 2006 14:39:45 GMT 2
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Post by vargaskinn on Mar 19, 2006 16:36:12 GMT 2
I do agree with you Twillightheart,but it's difficult to find or create a band down here on the Balkans,even if you are a male,and especially if you are a female.It's the stupid mentallity of those people here.Actually,my sister had some more luck in Macedonia...that's why she moved there to study...But,the country I live in;Croatia,is very weird when it comes to metal;we don't even have a proper male metal and certainly no female...I don't care what those people think,if I HAD a band I definitely wouldn't care,but the problem is that all girls who play sth. are afraid and the guys just scorn you.I'm glad to hear it is not so elsewhere. Swordsmaiden-by weird clothes I mean male metal outfit,which is,in my country considered to be ugly on a female,even by metalheads-they date fancy barbies,you know.Sure,come over to Croatia or Macedonia-what my sister needs to complete her full female band is definitely a drummer! ;D
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Post by swordmaiden on Mar 20, 2006 0:01:24 GMT 2
clothes like this vargaskinn? i don't see anything ugly or weird about it. haha that girl is scary twilightheart...i'm surprised my area hasn't produced something like that....yet. then again, northern california isn't strong in black metal...mostly death and thrash. we do have bands like death machine though that has a woman in it.
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Post by MaliceGarden on Mar 20, 2006 23:09:28 GMT 2
wow that onielar looks nice well one of my favourite screamers is angela gussow from arch enemy. i also like cadaveria from cadaveria and ex opera ix. an ex-singer from autumn tears did a great one! awesome, but she wasnt very into metal.
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Post by vargaskinn on Mar 21, 2006 16:22:47 GMT 2
swordsmaiden;there is nothing weird about the clothes,I'm just being ironic and sarcastic and trying to criticize Croatian metalheads and their way of thinking(which is not also mine)Who are the people on the pics?
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