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Post by flame on Dec 14, 2006 21:05:56 GMT 2
Hi Folks ! How about telling each other about some pagan places we visited ? I like to change experiences, ideas, rituals, what you want and talk where we can go to study earth itself. So far. Here is my first thread : The Externsteine in Germany : www.externstein.de/www.schwalenberg.germany-castles.netExtern stones in Horn-Bad Meinberg The 40 meters high legendary rock group between Horn and Berlebeck is a grand nature and cultur memorial. In its art the descent from the cross embossment is the biggest german stonemasonry of 1130. Main rock ascenting is possible. They are some Rocks which crossing some energy lines. Good there for healing rituals,vision Quests and sun-turning-partys. The visit is nearly a must if you are near them. Enjoy Party on Flame
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Post by HerraHirwi on Dec 15, 2006 6:28:34 GMT 2
I've never visited in any place, where the actual native beliefs are still kept held, because in Finland you can't find any of those anymore, thus I've only visited from those places, where once have been holy places ie. Taaran lähde (Taara's well) near the church of Janakkala and Vanaja cup-stone near Hämeenlinna. Both of them are old worshipping places and thus recommendable to visit if one is interested in Finnish mythology.
I know that in Estonia there are still few of the old sacred groves, in which old people still take their food sacrifices as their forefathers have done since the beginning of time. In Russia there's also some of the remains of the native religions, sacred groves and rituals survived in the traditions of many Finno-Ugric peoples. Specially in Siberia there is still shamanistic traditions survived in the folklore of Uralic, Turkic, Mongolic, Tungusic, Yukaghir and Paleo-Siberian peoples, althought all of them are seriously endangered because of Russian politics.
There's some eyewitnesses reports I've read from the rituals etc. concerning the peoples I just listed. They are dated from the end of 19th century up to late 1990's. The writers of these documents have mainly been linguistics, etnographers, researchers etc. and they have had to achieve a full trust with these people so that they have let these outsiders to watch what they're doing. One of these documents is Lennart Meri's film Shamaan (Shaman). Lennart Meri was famous etnographer and free writer before he became the first president of re-independent Estonia. In this film one can see over 20 minutes shamanistic ceremony of the last great Nganasan shaman, Demnime Kostyarkin. It's one of the most impressive film experiences I've ever seen.
I've always been fascinated with Siberian shamanism and Siberian peoples and that's why I'm going to change my main subject from Estonian language and culture into the main Finno-Ugric linguistics, as it gives me the possibility to take the real field-trip into Siberia into among these peoples in order to study their language and their culture. I'm really looking forward that.
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Post by jarmo on Dec 15, 2006 13:11:45 GMT 2
Went to Brittany (France) last summer (*looks outside to the dark and rainy weather*) and there are quite a lot menhirs... And there are some carved rocks... I am not sure wether that was recent or ancient... but well.. the west fo Brittany has quite a Celtic atmosphere...
And about studying the earth... as flame says... That's what I actually do at university, almost daily...
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Post by wolferin on Dec 15, 2006 13:59:08 GMT 2
Hi Folks ! How about telling each other about some pagan places we visited ? What do you mean? Places, where rituals are done now days, or places connected with pagan cults, archaeological monuments, etc.?
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Post by flame on Dec 15, 2006 14:54:56 GMT 2
In fact I meant some old places, where you can see or feel the energy of the ancients. Like virva wrote, the old places where old rituals are held like our old ones does it, are mostly gone, but maybe we can show each other good places, where mystic energy flows, which often includes some Monuments. Maybe there are pople that are not so "new age" that there are born or reborn good rituals at present. Feel free to write it down like you would like to have this topic !
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Post by flame on Dec 21, 2006 12:22:23 GMT 2
Went to Brittany (France) last summer (*looks outside to the dark and rainy weather*) and there are quite a lot menhirs... And there are some carved rocks... I am not sure wether that was recent or ancient... but well.. the west fo Brittany has quite a Celtic atmosphere... And about studying the earth... as flame says... That's what I actually do at university, almost daily... What is the subject of your studies ? Greets Flame Fixed the quotes -V.H
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Post by jarmo on Dec 21, 2006 15:16:34 GMT 2
Went to Brittany (France) last summer (*looks outside to the dark and rainy weather*) and there are quite a lot menhirs... And there are some carved rocks... I am not sure wether that was recent or ancient... but well.. the west fo Brittany has quite a Celtic atmosphere... And about studying the earth... as flame says... That's what I actually do at university, almost daily... What is the subject of your studies ? Greets Flame Fixed the quotes -V.HEarth Sciences... Basically everything that has to do with the earth... Geology, Paleontology, Climatology, Physical Geography and so on...
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Post by swordmaiden on Jan 7, 2007 13:09:50 GMT 2
The only pagan sites that I have actually visited are some local Ohlone Native American (the native inhabitants of this area) sites here in the bay area California. Some I actually stumbled upon by accident and some were pointed out to me. None are active sacred sites though and many have already been destroyed by buldozers to make way for office buildings and housing developments. Its really quite sad. There is a group of large boulders with circular depressions (holes) that were used for grinding acorns and things and some with carvings for religious purposes located in the Santa Cruz mountains. These indentations also collect water when it rains. I saw 2 more there at various points in the mountains. There is a stone circle in a regional park near by also. And I think I remember seeing something near San Francisco and San Bruno near a fault line actually in a wooded area. While I was in Athens, Greece I did look up at the Parthenon but never went up there. Hopefully I will see more in the future.
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Post by sleipetorva on Jan 15, 2007 17:33:04 GMT 2
In fact I meant some old places, where you can see or feel the energy of the ancients. While it may not fit into the traditional idea of northern European paganism, I visited Egypt about 8 years ago and I was very moved by the "mystical" feeling there. At Giza (where the pyramids are ) you can stand and look out across the seemingly endless desert, and it feels as though the memory of every life of every person who has walked there is with you, pressing down on you. You feel this presence of unfathomable ancient knowledge around you. It is very intimidating, enough so that in small moments you become filled with despair as you realize how tiny you are compared to the totality of time and everything in the universe. In the air you can feel the dualism of unending life and death. It's very awe-inspiring. I'd say that you should try to go if you can. But don't eat the beef because you will get sick (and it is not an easy illness, I can tell you )
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Post by helena on Feb 27, 2007 23:22:43 GMT 2
There's also Stone Henge in England, I believe Pagans go there for the solstices.
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Post by swordmaiden on Feb 28, 2007 9:09:02 GMT 2
There's also Stone Henge in England, I believe Pagans go there for the solstices. Yes they do, but the majority of these so called pagans are new agers (AKA really weird people) that do not follow the old prechristian ways. Some claim to be druids and such...even though Stone Henge was abandoned long before the existence of the druid priests and what we now think of as the Celtic religion, but that's ok. At least it is preserving the site for future generations
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Post by A Kat Person on Mar 17, 2007 5:20:27 GMT 2
There's also Stone Henge in England, I believe Pagans go there for the solstices. Yes they do, but the majority of these so called pagans are new agers (AKA really weird people) that do not follow the old prechristian ways. Some claim to be druids and such...even though Stone Henge was abandoned long before the existence of the druid priests and what we now think of as the Celtic religion, but that's ok. At least it is preserving the site for future generations Hey, don't knock the new agers! They do more to try bringing back old ways than most other people; they may not always get it right but the spirit is there. Certainly they are preferable to christians! Regarding your earlier post about California sites; Mount Shasta is a place with significance to new agers and Native Americans alike. It is an important place according to pre-christian Native American beliefs. I myself have only driven past it, but when I move to northern Cali later this year I will be sure to take a much closer look!! As for another interesting place with pre-christian significance I've been to - I would say that the entire island of Cape Breton in Nova Scotia fits this description. It is truly a magickal place. There are numerous legends about it among the native Mi'qmaq, involving everything from little people to a being called Glooscap who is said to sleep in a cave-like formation called the Fairy Hole. I spent an afternoon hiking there once, just to witness this legendary home of Glooscap, a hike that proved challenging to someone of my inexperience, involving the use of ropes to scale precarious rock surfaces, but boy was it fun and totally worth it...
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Post by mutti on Mar 25, 2007 0:17:33 GMT 2
There's also Stone Henge in England, I believe Pagans go there for the solstices. Yes they do, but the majority of these so called pagans are new agers (AKA really weird people) that do not follow the old prechristian ways. Some claim to be druids and such...even though Stone Henge was abandoned long before the existence of the druid priests and what we now think of as the Celtic religion, but that's ok. At least it is preserving the site for future generations So what do you mean by pagan if the people who vist Stonehenge are only 'so called' pagans? For any of you interested in megalithic sites with probable ritual connections, can I recommend Julian Cope's book, The Modern Antiquarian which details all the sites in the UK and a few in France, and his follow up The Megalithic European which does the same for the rest of Europe. The great thing about the books is that they aren't just about maps and grid references - Julian (used to be in a band called The Teardrop Explodes) has tried to vist every site and explain how it feels to be there - something I can enjoy having visited a lot of the sites in the book. There's nothing more spine tingling than sitting in the middle of a stone circle that you know has been there for many thousands of years.
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Post by frostwolf on Oct 10, 2007 15:34:19 GMT 2
i'm not a huge fan of the new agers, but i agree they are better than mainstream religion. i don't like how they "water down" the old beliefs, its more fun if you go the whole hog with sacrifices and stuff, especially while high and listening to black metal. ok, that's not exactly paganism, thats me and my mates being idiots...
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Post by korpikrissy on Nov 7, 2007 9:46:00 GMT 2
Went to Brittany (France) last summer (*looks outside to the dark and rainy weather*) and there are quite a lot menhirs... And there are some carved rocks... I am not sure wether that was recent or ancient... but well.. the west fo Brittany has quite a Celtic atmosphere... Great place indeed i love that place & i dont count numbers of restaurant and co called "triskele" personaly id love to live there.
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