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Post by Helran on Aug 10, 2007 18:23:41 GMT 2
i don't belive in any god and that kind of stuff. but i like shama and pagan pfilosofy. That god is in the nature and human. and this god will give the power to grow. because i don't like cristian m,ind. You will do this, you will not do that. tha is good that is evil. I think some thinks should be illegal but in general is not good and evil. What in some case seems good, in other seems evil. And I think that we shoul show respekt to our ancestor, our blood and our land. I think too, there're no good god and bad god. The Human is the master of himself. He behaves as he wants. There's no god to lead him, to agree or approve them acts, facts and thought.
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Post by budikah on Sept 7, 2007 6:58:40 GMT 2
I guess in a short and simplified way.. I believe in Nature. Tree's, plants, animals, ect. Im not quite sure how else to explain it. Nature -is- my spirituality. Alot like the song "WIth Tree's"
When im in the city I feel like im held up and suffocating, I come to life once im out in the forest.
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Post by hk50cc on Oct 4, 2007 21:28:40 GMT 2
maybe i should finally accept that god exists in my life a god who is destroying my best friends, their life (at same time!!!) and makes me feel so helpless because i'm damned to sit somewhere i don't belong to, having no possibility to do anything even not to hold them tight and make them feel they are not and never alone... but i'm thankful this cruel god gave me them both, even it's so hard to take being all time so helpless just hoping and believing in them that they will somekind manage their life again
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Post by GµNNaR on Oct 5, 2007 2:41:03 GMT 2
I am odinist, of Lanbarthen folk. Yes, I trust in the "Mortal" power of Odin, Thor, Heimdall, Tyr, Frigg, Freya, Frey, Njord etc... I have a Mjollnir rounded my neck too. And I have a tattoo of one of Odin's signs and will be have to Mollnir Tattoo next monday!!! HEIL ODIN!!!
HEIL THOR!!!
Um Mik Og Î, Asgarth Ok Midgarth!!!
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Post by Ice Troll on Oct 29, 2007 1:14:00 GMT 2
I'm a christian. Thats the way I have been raised to be.
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Post by frostheim on Oct 29, 2007 7:58:37 GMT 2
I'm a christian. Thats the way I have been raised to be. One question if you allow me: do you believe in it all yourself and for real, or is it only "because you've been raised to it" and/or "this is the way it goes because that's what has been told to you by the others"? I know these matters are very personal and it can often be very risky to questionalize the others beliefs etc. because of the cultural differences and such, but somehow I just felt the need to ask about a small but still somewhat essential detail. Apologies already in advance however if I happened to dig too deep, heh.
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Post by Ice Troll on Oct 29, 2007 23:03:34 GMT 2
I'm a christian. Thats the way I have been raised to be. One question if you allow me: do you believe in it all yourself and for real, or is it only "because you've been raised to it" and/or "this is the way it goes because that's what has been told to you by the others"? I know these matters are very personal and it can often be very risky to questionalize the others beliefs etc. because of the cultural differences and such, but somehow I just felt the need to ask about a small but still somewhat essential detail. Apologies already in advance however if I happened to dig too deep, heh. It's alright. I do believe in it my self. My parents and grandparents just kinda pointed me in the direction and let me go from thier. I don't go to church, but I do pray and read the bible every once and a while.
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Post by duncan on Nov 19, 2007 15:09:58 GMT 2
I'm a Christian - strictly speaking a Calvinist, but I had a very ecumenical upbringing, which has put paid to any real denominational dogmatism.
Just tossing this out there to stimulate discussion: Someone a page or so back claimed that Christianity, Islam an Judaism were much the same, seperate only by superficial distinctions. Following what CS Lewis said, I'd say the major difference is that of these, only Christianity has a doctrine of grace in it (I can't offhand think of any other faith that has grace involved)
There are also differences between them that cannot simply be explained as superficial. Christians believe that Jesus died on the cross, Muslims belive that this is not so: they cannot both be right, so trying to harmonise them in this respect (as in many others) is itself superficial. And that's before we get into the whole "Son of God" issue...
Dunc
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Post by drinkingtea on Nov 23, 2007 7:17:51 GMT 2
Just tossing this out there to stimulate discussion: Someone a page or so back claimed that Christianity, Islam an Judaism were much the same, seperate only by superficial distinctions. Following what CS Lewis said, I'd say the major difference is that of these, only Christianity has a doctrine of grace in it (I can't offhand think of any other faith that has grace involved) Dunc If one defines the three religions as fundamentally the same because there is some single deity that is worshipped, the three are the same. Christianity can be seen as different, since they do that trinity thing. If you dig down into the whole monist, monothestic, henotheistic categories, there are some differences, but for someone who does not practice any of these faiths, they are minor differences. For Jews, Judaism and Christianity are very different. Jews have to follow the rules that the ancestors accepted at Sinai, but others are free to pursue their own paths. Therefore, no conversion tactics. Unlike Christianity, salvation is not an individual thing. Jews are saved or damned as a people and the community's place in the world to come is earned, not given by grace. Believe whatever you want if you're a Jew, but don't break the rules. Depending on your community, the rules can range from a huge encyclopedia of details to a simple, 'Follow your ancestor's path as much as you can, don't suck as a human being, and try to make the world better.' It's a way of life more than a belief system for most, so one can argue it's not actually a religion in many senses of the word since there is a major lack of dogma. To Christians, I guess the lack of the whole Jesus thing is a major difference between them and everyone else. For Islam (just going by theology and not politics or anything else here), Jews have the right idea by the one single deity thing, but they are lacking the Mohammad and Qu'aran to bring them to the correct path.
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Post by SIOS The Heathen on Nov 25, 2007 6:18:14 GMT 2
If I have to back myself into a corner, I'd have to consider myself a pagan. I don't have any religion, because I consider religion to be a set of RULES, and I don't believe life should have any rules. This includes spirituality. The gods are partially forces of nature, partially created by us, and partially represent the greater virtues that make us collectively human. Live by their examples, which means living for yourself and loved ones. Live your life to the fullest, achieve great things, but keep the physical, spiritual, and earthly in balance. To quote Hakim Bey, "Paganism has yet to invent rules; only virtues."
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Post by Lionheart on Nov 25, 2007 12:30:13 GMT 2
It's funny you call yourself a "pagan" because if we start to look into the meaning of the word it the most widely accepted definition for paganism today is basically: any of various religions other than Jusdism, Christianity or Islam. Mostly connected with polytheistic religions...
Are you sure you don't mean to put the term atheist here?
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Post by ursus on Nov 25, 2007 17:02:45 GMT 2
heh pagan is realy wide said, since there are many pagan religions. but maybe someone believes in all pagan gods... you never know
i think i should be really graceful to be raised as an animist and tougt how to respect every living thing, but nowadays i sympathise more with slave and norse pagan religions. i prefer them mostla by the facz that there are more gods, so there is no one great dictator (i am not mean or insulting, i just believe that the world is to magnificent to be controled by one single beiing) and that all pagan gods have their good and bad sides. honestly said, there is no beiing without mistakes. even mother nature sometimes kicks into the blackness... and since being conected to the nature and its creatures since birth, i do trust in Thor and its stormlight....
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Post by SIOS The Heathen on Nov 25, 2007 21:52:21 GMT 2
It's funny you call yourself a "pagan" because if we start to look into the meaning of the word it the most widely accepted definition for paganism today is basically: any of various religions other than Jusdism, Christianity or Islam. Mostly connected with polytheistic religions... Are you sure you don't mean to put the term atheist here? Maybe an atheist occasionally, depending on the day lol. No, I meant to use the word pagan. Just because you're polytheistic(or any sort of theist for that matter), it doesn't mean you need to follow all of the same superstitions that medieval people did. We know that chariots don't pull the sun and moon across the sky and that killing a cow won't bring a good harvest. That sort of thing was created by people, with good intentions, but didn't know much about science. The gods also aren't big people in the sky. They are the integral parts that bind our human psyche to the world around us. By following their examples, through old stories of their adventures to just living your life freely, we realise the best ways to live our lives personally. Most religions are telling you to prepare for something better after this life, whether it's heaven or reconnecting with the universe or whatever. In paganism(in my opinion anyways), you don't pretend to know exactly what happens after you die. But, true immortality can be achieved by doing great things and being an influential person so that people remember you and speak of you for years to come. All of this is much more real and spiritual than any sort of potentially nonexistent parallel spirit world. ;D
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Post by Biggsy on Nov 26, 2007 0:18:17 GMT 2
Me, well im a christian... (dont burn me alive yet let me explain) a very open minded one.. I was for a time under the ordination process in the anglican church of england (becomeing a protestant minister) until i told the director of ordinations where to kindly cram himself (although the anglican chuch claims to embrace female ministers there are still a few who try to block the path). I'm one of the small group of christians that dont beleive that we should force our views on others. With some of my views i often wonder why i hold such faith, but well im resolute in whatever faith i have my own personal view: People can bleive what they want to beleive as long as their beleifs do not infringe upon or do damage to anothers in short... beleive what you want, just dont force it on anyone else fair play i think *grins* im not a great example of a christian, hell i strive to be a bad example
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Post by fozz on Nov 26, 2007 1:37:10 GMT 2
your the worst christian, I have ever met.. and i have met many, I mean Jesus look at your best freind?!
personaly i dont acctualy know what religion I follow. I know im realy *Really** lucky the amount of mad shit ive done in the past, that has almost gone wrong and by some fluke, tirned out okay for me in the end, has gotta mean something. I am not a fan of following things that are writtend down, particularly if they are vague, and open to insane interpretations.
I definatley feel that there is more too the worl, like crazy things, ive seen some mad stuff, like people sitting at the side of my bed talking to me, and then all of a sudden they aint there, i could be totaly mad, but i'm 100% certain that there is more to the world than what we can see.
id be more inclined to say i follow the "old" religions if anything, but in truth i just meander through life, totaly lost and amazed at eveything Dragging Biggsy along with me (complaining and bitching all the way i may add)
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