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Post by twilightheart on Mar 4, 2005 15:27:32 GMT 2
Nordi, especially you as the webmaster should know, that the forum is meant to be in English language! You (= all Finns) exlude us all from the discussions by talking Finnish. Maybe we all are also interested about what you know about the subject!? And if you wanna talk only to Mr. Holtiton or only to Frostheim etc., then you can as well PM or mail him!
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Post by Nordis on Mar 4, 2005 18:04:36 GMT 2
Ah, sorry... I just thought that it would be easier to say that in finnish It was just that in this book Karjalan Kansan Runot, which includes karelian poems that haven't been touched since recording them, Lemminkäinen seems pretty human-like character. But I'm propably wrong about it, because the idea of heroic Lemminkäinen has just stuck into my head because of Kalevala. So it wasn't anything important, but I'll keep it english from now on
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Post by frostheim on Mar 4, 2005 19:50:06 GMT 2
@ Nordi: Kannattaa joutessa sekä mahdollisuuksien mukaan ehdottomasti katsastaa tuo kirja ( Aurinkolaiva, 2004), jonka pohjalta kerrontaa ilmoille toin; kyseessä on kirjailija ja tutkija, joka on aiemmin kirjoittanut teokset Kullervon suku (1995) sekä Kalevalan metafysiikka ja fysiikka (1999), kuten lisäksi käsikirjoittanut Kalevala-aiheisia draamoja sekä esitelmöinyt muinaishistoriasta, mytologiasta ynnä symboliikasta. @ the others; the reason why I wrote in Finnish in general and didn't do it by PM was that using Finnish had already started with the issue about Lempo/Lemminkäinen and I only tried to make a couple of points clear at once to a one who wouldn't have understand it all otherwise. I'll write in English next time, no problem.
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Post by korpipeikko on Mar 8, 2005 23:48:21 GMT 2
@ the others; the reason why I wrote in Finnish in general and didn't do it by PM was that using Finnish had already started with the issue about Lempo/Lemminkäinen and I only tried to make a couple of points clear at once to a one who wouldn't have understand it all otherwise.I guess you meant me. Sorry, my english skills are ot very top-class. I'll try to use english from now on. -kele...
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Post by shewarrior on Dec 22, 2005 20:28:12 GMT 2
hm, this is interesting
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Post by HerraHirwi on Dec 23, 2005 10:07:56 GMT 2
And what comes to Finnish gods in generally, they're most likely been greater or smaller spirits of things, not "gods" in the original concept and in the first place. In animistic/shamanistic cultures almost everywhere of our dear planet is believed that every living or non-living thing has an own soul, ( haltija in Finnish. BTW there's BIG difference between haltija and haltia in Finnish. Haltija is the name of the spirit as already described and haltia is "elf" [in the meaning of post-Tolkien crap]) There's power in everywhere in nature, which way of thinking is the most honest point of view to itself, to others and to nature. As Finnish society changed from hunter-gatherer society to agricultural society some of the old spirits changed to deities. It's a common phenomenon from elsewhere of our Planet too. Living among the nature has truly never disappeared from the Finns. That's why we go our summer cottages and enjoy our life there in forest sauna.
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Post by swordmaiden on Dec 25, 2005 0:09:22 GMT 2
I am glad to see a post like this on here. I definately plan on reading more about Finnish mythology. Kiitos!
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Post by Bjärn on Dec 25, 2005 20:41:01 GMT 2
I always took some favour to Tapio.
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Post by taran on Jan 30, 2006 18:27:39 GMT 2
okay,can any of our finnish friends please tell me a bit more about the figure in the picture,the photo was taken in helsinki museum,I think it was described as the stone eyed god?but thats all I know.any information will be gladly accepted. i32.photobucket.com/albums/d32/bendigeidfran/100_6846.jpgkiitos.
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Post by frostheim on Jan 30, 2006 21:26:15 GMT 2
Could you possibly post a link to a bigger picture? A dark 62x47 dpi picture isn't quite clear nor informative.
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Post by taran on Jan 30, 2006 21:35:00 GMT 2
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Post by swordmaiden on Jan 31, 2006 7:30:46 GMT 2
^ That is very interesting, but what is it? hehe
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Post by frostheim on Jan 31, 2006 10:14:32 GMT 2
To be honest, I've never seen that before. Have you got any further explanations about it? Otherwise it wouldn't seem to have any relation with at least namely Finnic culture forms. However, I came up with a thought about the culture from the times before the latest Ice Age, but then again, more info would be required before anything more can be said.
EDIT: I also started to think about the possible relation with the seita belief of the Sámi and even proto-Finnic people, but in general ie. the wood seitas have been quite harsh and primitive by their looks, and the picture presented above is something that in my opinion differ too much from those I've been shown at the lectures considering the seita beliefs as well as matters related to it.
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Post by Humppaporo on Jan 31, 2006 11:10:37 GMT 2
It has indeed some resemblance with the old 'mother earth' figures I have seen from prehistoric times. Also curious, tell us more!
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Post by taran on Jan 31, 2006 14:04:16 GMT 2
If my memory serves me correctly,I think it was found in northen finland,it stood at about 1 metre tall and had stones for eyes.there wasnt much information about it written in the display case.It was in the 'prehistory' section of the museum.Tried looking for more information on the net,but found nothing.To me it does look like some of the stone age sculpture found elsewhere in the world and did remind me of the earth mother godess. sorry I have no more info at the moment,but will scour my books to see if I can find anything similar.As soon as I saw this in the museum it intrigued me.
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