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Post by uklfc on Jan 11, 2007 2:09:51 GMT 2
Is the finnish name register online? The English definitely need one, with stupid people calling their kids after cars and stuff. Also, is it true you can only have 3 names before the surname, as thats what I was told by my boyfriend..
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Post by Luonnotar on Jan 11, 2007 11:19:37 GMT 2
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Post by HerraHirwi on Jan 11, 2007 16:43:32 GMT 2
We have HERE discussion about names, Finnish and others, so you can continue discussion in there, as there one can find etymologies and meanings of each others names.
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Post by Humppaporo on Mar 3, 2007 12:13:14 GMT 2
I have some questions about the Kalevala.
After seeing the paintings of Akseli Gallen-Kallela, and reading the Kalevala, it still is a bit confusing what kind of thing the sampo might be. In Kalevala all magic comes from people and animals, all things are real things, that also exist in daily life. Things don't have magic as far as i have noticed. For some reason i feel the sampo as some sort of 'magic mill' that spreads only good (fertile) things, but that does not match with the rest of the items used in Kalevala. When Louhi destroys the Sampo it goes into pieces, and some of the smaller ones come ashore and:
the pieces of the bright lid to the misty headland's tip to the foggy island's end to grow, to increase to turn, to thicken into barley beer into loaves of rye
sounds almost like the sampo was containing fertile seeds.
and another thing i wonder about is this:
At that old Väinämöinen put this into words: 'Grant, Creator, vouchsafe, God grant that we may be lucky that we may live well always that we may die with honour in Finland the sweet in Karelia the fair! Keep us, steadfast Creator and guard us, fair God from the whims of men from the wiles of hags;
Which god is meant here? In the Kalavala is more often spoken of god, might that be a christian god, or just the powers of nature?
I know the Kalavale was not written down before 1849, so a lot of christianity must have come into Finland by that time, and maybe mixed in with old stories.
Another things is that the manner of telling, the story changes a lot after, let's say 3/4 of the book. Is there a reason to that?
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Post by HerraHirwi on Mar 3, 2007 12:54:35 GMT 2
sounds almost like the sampo was containing fertile seeds. One of the possible teories concerning sampo is that one that it may be contacted with Kaali järv meteor impact in Estonia. It was much greater than ie. Hiroshima atom bomb. How people saw that thing from the distance, it may have looked like a giant tree or statue. The word sammas stands still for the "statue" in Estonian and because the smoke rose up into the sky, it may explain the Finnish word kirjokansi, which is used also as a synonyme for the starsky. And as the land after the impact is geologically very fertile, there was good agricultural and rich land. And because the impact also indicates much of iron ore, it were easy to forge much swords and tools etc. And all this may have brought forth richness. All this has come from sampo. Althought there are much different theories concerning the origin of sampo, this looks for me the most logical and the most reasonable one, althought it's just a one hypothesis along others. Etymologically the word sampo may be linked - as I said - with sammas, which grows near sammal (=moss), near water , where sammakko (=frog) lives. The interesting thing by the way is that the town where I was born, Rauma (=which is in the coastal area in Western Finland) has a place name called Sampaanala, thus sampaan ala (=The area of statue). It would be interesting to find out some day why this particular place has such a mythological name. Which god is meant here? In the Kalavala is more often spoken of god, might that be a christian god, or just the powers of nature? The features of Christian god and the original sky-thunder spirit have mixed already one thousand years ago, when the Christianity was brought into the Finland. After that they have been mixed in the folk poetry somewhere more, somewhere less. This is veru usual phenomenon, which is to be noticed also in Siberia. In the mythology of Nenets people the supreme god Num has also same features as the Christian god. Another things is that the manner of telling, the story changes a lot after, let's say 3/4 of the book. Is there a reason to that? Likewise I've told before, Kalevala is all in all mixed together by one person, thus the manner of telling is illogcal in many places, the main characters are distorted etc. Many of the original themes and chains of events of the original runo's have been changed by Lönnrot.
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Post by wolferin on Jun 2, 2009 9:27:25 GMT 2
Let's renew this thread, there are new people in the forum and to go on writting about Kalevala and Finnish myths. Likewise I've told before, Kalevala is all in all mixed together by one person, thus the manner of telling is illogcal in many places, the main characters are distorted etc. Many of the original themes and chains of events of the original runo's have been changed by Lönnrot. I think, otherwise this "mixed" format of Kalevala gives opportunity much more people to get acquainted with it, because it is easier to read s.th. systematic. And more - it is practically impossible ( or very hard) to translate s.th spread off here and there. Due to Lönnrot, I, for example was able to read the translation of Kalevala and to enjoy the wisdom, the lore, the fabula, etc.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2009 18:19:22 GMT 2
Spider nests are covering now my old knowledge bout Finnish mythology ;D But when quickly asked l remember enjoying reading 'bout Ahto ,the god of waters, and his wife Vellamo...didn't they live in Ahtola? Good to see this thread revived, Wolferin
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