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Post by Bartbär on Jul 11, 2009 0:30:33 GMT 2
Thank you Shaman! I've never heard of Die Ärzte before so this is a real treasure. And since my German isn't quite fluent It's nice to have a version with the english subs. Constantly on the lookout for German bands of all styles, so thanks for allowing me to add another one. hehe
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Post by ShamanRunedancer on Jul 11, 2009 10:43:58 GMT 2
Bitte,gern geschehen! Nice to see your interest in german bands;I sometimes have the feeling they are not very favored-in any case the ones with german lyrics.I gladly recommend you some more,if you want you can contact me with a pm or mail
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Post by Nordis on Jul 12, 2009 0:47:18 GMT 2
For my part I can promise that no-one will get banned from here because of their political / religious / whatever views. The only reason for banning people from here is ithatthey keep misbehaving after several warnings.
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Post by Bartbär on Jul 12, 2009 2:13:16 GMT 2
Indeed, there is a point to where banning is in order. In past forums there were people that I think truly deserved to be banned but never were. Granted they were the moderators! I'm still very happy to see things here are much more in order. Thanks Nordis and the rest of you (Moderators and otherwise) for being such wonderful people.
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Post by Savi on Sept 15, 2009 21:19:02 GMT 2
Well I am very unsettled of our political situation in Germany, in a few days we have Bundestags election and I am not determined for which party I could vote. Last sunday we had a live tv duel between Merkel ( our Federal Chancellor and member of the CDU) and Steinmeier (candidate for chancellor and member of the SPD). But insead of talking about important things like education or social politics they just talked about shit nobody needs to know . For example Gorleben where the whole atomic waste is kept, for years nobody said a word about it but know discussions about it where ongoing. And according to this the two politicans were not fighting against each other like everyone expected .It was so boring that they always agreed one another ,you were not able to see the difference between the two parties.
All in all I am not sure which party really represents my interests :/ but I will take take part in german policy
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Post by Savi on Sept 15, 2009 21:20:18 GMT 2
Well I am very unsettled of our political situation in Germany, in a few days we have Bundestags election and I am not determined for which party I could vote. Last sunday we had a live tv duel between Merkel ( our Federal Chancellor and member of the CDU) and Steinmeier (candidate for chancellor and member of the SPD). But insead of talking about important things like education or social politics they just talked about shit nobody needs to know . For example Gorleben where the whole atomic waste is kept, for years nobody said a word about it but know discussions about it where ongoing. And according to this the two politicans were not fighting against each other like everyone expected .It was so boring that they always agreed one another ,you were not able to see the difference between the two parties.
All in all I am not sure which party really represents my interests :/ but I will take take part in german policy
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2009 19:47:37 GMT 2
Tis pretty normal to be unsettled about it, Savi. I remember how that feels like...but nowadays I'm settled though tis out-dated to be a monarchist in today's Romania. We also have elections soon and people will go to choose their president. Tis possible for me to go and vote as I always voted: the what seemed the least bad at the time. And...while they ruled, it turned out we went from worse to worst. And I was such a fool when comunism fell that we're going to finally have better rulers. I must stress again that I'm monachirst, but there's no way we'll ever have again that here. I don't live with the nostalgy of our days of royalty here, but really believe in the constitutional monachist system other countries have.
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Post by Mighty Croc on Sept 18, 2009 10:01:53 GMT 2
I don't believe in politics here. We have one main party and a few others to make a semblance of democrazy - a liberal one and a communistic one. I am right-wing. I could be an anarchist, but I don't believe in humanity at all, and I don't believe in politics. Here politics is a good way to do nothing but have a lot of money, so the ruling party is very big... Monarchism? We have a lot of monarchists here, but... in constitutional monarchy the monarch is just a mascot - and dynasty monarchy is not actual today. Every dynasty degenerates - and when it happened in the Russian Empire, here was a revolution and commies gathered the power. All the politics in our country is a blah-blah piece of shit. So I divide the two concepts - "native land" and "the country".
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2009 21:05:17 GMT 2
Yeah, some things are similar between our countries, but there are also some differences. In a way I understand your opinion about monarchy, but tis the only political system I like,though politics suck everywhere (tis a necessary bad,unfortunately). For example, I kant hide I love UK with all the flaws of their politics! I'd rather have that than the *hit here.
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Post by Bartbär on Sept 19, 2009 3:52:10 GMT 2
I'm with you on that one Croc. I'd say Philosophically I'm an Anarchist, as I believe that true freedom can only exist when people realize they are free and don't rely on any government to do their deeds for them. But humanity continues to look bleak for me, and sadly there are so many people who WANT not only government, but MORE of it... This I find very very sad as government intervention within anything causes a destruction in that environment. Government knows little to nothing about how things work outside of their "Poltics" books and Political schooling. Most politicians don't know what it is like to be on any other part of the spectrum and thus cannot relate with everyone or everything, but why should they? It's up to the individual in my eyes to determine what is Just. Even without government there are still rules that are kept between the will of the people. But when so many people have no Will there is no way of achieving that.
I personally am hating what is going on currently in the states. Liberalism is running the show, and even the "most" conservative people are as liberal as you can get. It has gotten so crazy that anyone like me with even mildly conservative or so-called "Right-Wing" beliefs are demonized for anything we say or do. People are accepting more government and the original constitution (of which is not perfect, but at least damn good enough to sustain a Just nation) and it's concepts are being thrown out the window.
Going to college is the worst here, that is where everyone gets together and bands against anyone that doesn't agree with them. Not to mention there are tons of Communist and Socialist types walking around claiming that communism is "oh so grand" and how everything and everyone is equal. Anytime I ask them "Are you referring to Equality of Outcome or Equality of Opportunity?" they give me a blank stare, in which case I have to remind them that the sense of Equality they are talking about is a concept of Mathematics and thus has no place in human nature or understanding. Even more ironic is when they answer "Equality of Opportunity", thus allowing me to call them out in regards to that being a completely anti-communist standpoint. But political discussion gets nowhere with anyone, no matter how logical you are in an argument against what they believe they will dismiss it altogether, no matter how flawless your argument is either. And that's the problem, peoples Political concepts are belief rather than truth. And we all know that beliefs often times carry very little evidence towards truth.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2009 7:02:33 GMT 2
We are free and it all reduces to individualism, imo. That is if one don't feel persecuted by some laws of his/her country. Even if we're a part of the society, we still mark our individuality and add a pinch of anarchy ;D in whatever we do. I personally feel free... And because as social being we kant live without being organised, and thus must have a political system, I prefer monarchy. Though people always believed I'm right-wing too, only because I hate the days when the commies ruled us (or because of my haircut or the clothes I wore when even younger , and that was ridiculous). Which is not true: both right&left wing can go to...and do whatever...as far as I'm concerned: i don't fit in any. In the end, nobody holds the truth, Anwend, tis all a matter of how one builds his/her life within the political system in the country. Ah, there might be laws that don't let you do some of the things you want...but there's always a solution. Ha! Just remembered the words of a great hippie guy here,when he was asked bakk in the commie days what is going on in his house (he organised parties/meetings with youngsters and listened ,,music from the West",plus talking philosophy): ,,I am smarter than you guys, and whatever I'm doing there, I don't break your laws." that's just an example...
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Post by Bartbär on Sept 19, 2009 8:02:39 GMT 2
Individualism rules and is key to everything. That is another reason why I'm more anti-government, because to me unity is impossible, not because it will not happen but because it does not and cannot possibly exist. The concept of groups and grouping is an abstraction and in reality everyone will always do what they feel within themselves is right to do. Government enforcing beliefs is only causing more problems where the government has no idea what areas need enforcing.
I think people hold Truth, but only when they know it exists within themselves. For instance, I have no problem if I disagree with someone, heck, I'd be crazy if I did because naturally being an outsider I disagree with a lot of people. But I only respect them and accept their beliefs as rightly founded if they have taken it upon themselves to truly examine them, rather than just pick the first concept that their parents of friends introduced to them. When people believe without examining the evidence or thinking deeply about those beliefs, that is when problems arise. I would even respect the Commie--types around me if they held to their stance as a personal Truth, but I have yet to meet such a person.
Lately I've thought long and hard about how vast all of our ideas and beliefs are. Even close friends can have completely different viewpoints on things. And everyone feels very strongly about their convictions. So it makes you wonder who is right, or what "right" even is.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2009 10:06:33 GMT 2
True. All paragraphs are true. And the part with truth that is to be found within oneself is what I appreciate most. That would be ideal,so that people have convinctions after they do an exam of themselves and not borrow ideas from others. Bout the last paragraph...we'll never know what's ,,right"...everybody has a ,,right" perspective and the good part with us is that we have the respect for others opinions even when we don't agree or challenge them to show their motivation. With friends? Tis sth I like: my friend have different political orientations, but we never put that above our friendship. And I am the only monarchist among them. Damn!tis good that the political views don't ruin relationships... And now I end this as tis weekend and there are far more important things to do/think/enjoy... Dixit!
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Post by Bartbär on Sept 24, 2009 18:27:36 GMT 2
Indeed, it is good to be able to put friendship over politics or anything else. Afterall it is sort of necessary, especially for people like us who have certain beliefs that are not very popular amongst our friends, or in some cases society as a whole. The only time I ever let people's political ideas get to me enough for me to speak out is when they are so extreme that I have to seek out an answer as to "why?" I think this is the biggest problem in the states too, is that since things are going so poorly, people will reach out for the worst political ideas simply because they are "different", or that they appear different, but not that they actually work. It's one of the biggest poisons I see in any Philosophy: we naturally try to counter one extreme with an opposite extreme. The only remedy is balance and truth, of which can be so hard to find when you are raised to think only in certain terms. For instance in america during elections, the debate topics are always the same: religion, abortion, etc. They don't touch on subjects that really matter, instead they choose people based on what party they are in, if they see eye to eye on "moral" issues, etc. all of which are almost completely subjective. Agreed, far more important things to do/think/enjoy! Although it is not quite the weekend again, it is coming soon.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2009 0:16:27 GMT 2
Tomorrow we have elections here, for the (hopefully) new president here. An year ago I thought I wouldn't go voting. But tis not so anymore, as I have the power of choice of the less worse of them all..and all bad. Hoping in a least damage, not wanting a bigger one.
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