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Post by Olli The Drunk Bear on May 30, 2006 9:47:38 GMT 2
Hmm, I can see where you are coming from. But if they have to close down 3 hospitals, Why not leave one? Then, at least that way people would not have to travel even further and more jobs would be saved. In my eyes they should leave the hospitals alone and close down the chinese take aways and Indians. We dont need them, I know they are a non government buissiness but replace those with other shops that can benifit the government so they do not have to close them down.
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Post by flame on May 30, 2006 10:33:45 GMT 2
I think this take-away-stuff is hard to understand. We all live on this earth, equal where and who we are. To have them away from your country does not end the whole problem. This is like to say the ozon hole is just an aussie problem at all. To think global and be anarchic local is maybe a way. Protest, if you think it will work. Work against it ! Mobilize your people.Take the words to the streets. Get a forum for it ! Maybe it will worth it at all ?
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Post by Olli The Drunk Bear on May 30, 2006 10:43:42 GMT 2
They do have posters and banners saying save our hospitals and if there would be a protest then they would put it in our local newspaper where EVERYONE would see it. I think that no one would be for the idea of taking the hospitals away, perhaps because everybody thinks that there is no need and the government has gone to shambles. I also just realised that they did try to shut down a court a few eeks ago but the papers create campaigns to save services in the "forest" I live in the forest of dean. we have 3 newspapers for the forest and they all create campaigns to save hospitals ect.
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Post by flame on May 30, 2006 10:58:39 GMT 2
Then,why not, go for it ! Act ! Protest ! Be no viewer, but an actor ! Organize something in the Internet, f.e...... ?
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Post by Hiding on May 31, 2006 1:49:45 GMT 2
don't know how it is in civilized countries, but here protests always seem to be unheard. though everybody protests actively. but anyway it's the only way you can express your opinion and influence on the situation. newspapers and street protests - that's your way, Olli!
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Post by A Kat Person on Jun 2, 2006 0:24:59 GMT 2
I don't think protests have worked here in the U.S. since the 1960s. At least, at that time, the protests seemed to eventually put a stop to the Vietnam war. But nowadays, protests don't seem to do much... there have been plenty of protests going on here against the Iraq war but as you can see the protesting goes unheeded... all that happens is a lot of people get arrested (or worse - tear-gassed), then there are civil lawsuits, and there is a lot of anger over how the police treat protesters, but nothing ever seems to change *sigh*
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Post by Olli The Drunk Bear on Jun 6, 2006 10:37:43 GMT 2
Well they have created a website called Save our Services, so I am going to be a part of this campaign to save them. Also the forestry commission has chopped down my woods(when I say mine it's because I usually spend all mt time in there) and have totally spoiled the place. Not only have they chopped the trees down but they have left a huge mess all over the place and I cannot go there anymore. To me they if they have to cut down trees then they should have done it deeper in the woods where no one can see. And because of this it has made me more aware of the problems rain forests face, Whats wrong with recycling? My family recycles the most we can, why can't others?
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Post by CrazyMary on Jun 6, 2006 10:49:11 GMT 2
Olli, here in Australia we have two different departments looking after the flora (plants) environment. The National Parks and Wildlife Service, which I work for, is responsible for conserving the natural heritage of my state for future generations. State Forests (equivalent to the English Forestry Commission) is responsible for the sustainable harvest of timber for industry.
It can be distressing to see woods being cut down. But until we live in a timber-less world, I would always prefer logging to be done by a government department that is charged with sustainability, than a private enterprise which is just out to make a quick buck regardless of the long-term consequences.
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Post by Olli The Drunk Bear on Jun 6, 2006 11:35:06 GMT 2
Yeh i know Mary, Just that it was distressing and that I grew up with the forest alwyas being there now it is gone. i know they replace the trees, that is all well good, but the place is a state now and they have not even tried to clear it up.
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Post by CrazyMary on Jun 6, 2006 14:45:07 GMT 2
Yeah I understand Ollie, especially when it is something you have grown up with. I still remember new people buying the house next door and my whole family watching out the window in tears when they cut down a huge tree that had been there for decades. They wanted to clear it for the view, but for us that tree *was* the view.
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Post by Hiding on Jun 6, 2006 20:30:05 GMT 2
it's so sad. more civilization, less nature.... pain
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Post by Olli The Drunk Bear on Jun 6, 2006 20:37:49 GMT 2
Well what is done is done. I walked past the site agin today with my guitar looking for a new place for serenity, I kinda found it but it is not quite the same, at least I cannot hear any cars or people, just my guitar . The trees will frow back, but not quite the same in my life time . I'm guessing it must be horrific in the amazon and other places which face the same problem.
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Post by flame on Jun 7, 2006 13:01:38 GMT 2
But what are we doing actually? Act we like we are able ? Ore are we some sort of chained then ?
Hmmmmm....
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Post by Humppaporo on Jun 7, 2006 17:58:32 GMT 2
Our own thoughts make our own chains... It's quite hard sometimes. What to do when some people you really like, have ideas that are against everything you believe in. When they are not stupid, but very intelligent and still think things you cannot cope with. Some of them can argue about it, others just cannot talk about it, without getting irritated. I will be more specific. I have a few friends, and you can really call them like that, who think that Hitler's idea's are good, maybe even great. That there is something like an Aryan superior human and that other races are inferior or maybe not even human. In Holland WWII has had a huge impact, my parents lost many (jewish)friends. Many musicians were Jewish, and I come from a family were everyone is profesiionally engaged in music (but me ). My mother lived (she was a child) in Rotterdam and almost died of bombs and starvation. My father saw his best friend shot and beheaded for his eyes and lost two underaged brothers because they were shot. Their house was burned down, and their second house was bombed, he was just a kid. I also know that many Germans really didn't know about this during the war. Every time i see images of what happened in the destruction camps (vernichtungs anlage) i have the feeling i have to run and cry. Maybe my imagination is too vivid, but it's just as it is. I don't blame most people who lived back then, because times were very different, and... they didn't have internet and other very useful information sources... But people who are aware of what really happened (of course there were/are more villains, like Stalin..) and sincerely think it is good to think like that, I cannot understand. I hate myself for having trouble with that, and in fact i have no trouble at all with the people, but with the ideas, but how to untie this knot? I think it (neo nazi) basically comes from the same idealistic feelings I have about future and people. But how on earth do i have to react when people say that other coloured people (like black people) are not human, and shouldn’t be looked at or touched... I think by saying this, they already knowledge the fact that they are human, because no-one has problems with looking at or touching animals... what do you all think...
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Post by Olli The Drunk Bear on Jun 13, 2006 13:34:03 GMT 2
Im am trying to comprhend what you are saying Humppi'. From what I have just read, you feel in a way angry because your friends who are intelligent think that Hitler's idea was great, even though that is going against your own views? I think that other people should not see black people or any other people from different ethnicity should be as not human and they they shouldn't be looked at. For instance I expect that the Black folk thinks the same about white folk in areas such as their native land like Africa and such. Im not sure if I nailed what you are trying to say but nether the less, that is an important topic
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