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Post by Nordis on May 6, 2009 17:08:43 GMT 2
I've been thinking about starting this thread for months but it's been just impossible to figure a proper name for it until I read Mr. HerraHirwi's poem (which provoked me even further in starting this thread  ) yesterday. So let's discuss about everything supernatural, esoteric and religions-related: Why or why don't you believe? The second one is probably easier to answer: Why believe to something that no-one can prove? The world is full of b-shit talkers and it's plainly stupid to believe anyone if they don't have proof to support their theory. Even the huge organized religions base their existence in nothing but ancient myths and legends that seem to be complete gibberish. One might ask how science differs from this? How many of you have actually seen an atom or a distant solar system with your very own eyes? Sure there are loads of information, pictures and illustrations about everything and they seem just as reliable and sensible as Bible verses seem to a believer and shaky cell phone camera footage of a spot in the sky seems to an religiousish UFO believer. In the end, religion and science are both based a lot on blindly believing the authors. There's no person who could say "I believe it when I see it" without lying. I hope that opened the discussion so that it can be continued  |
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2009 19:23:49 GMT 2
Too much to say, too many subjects.,but the name of the thread covers the whole *hit ... Well, in time l've learned to respect people's religion and choices of any kind, but sometimes l must confess l do laugh when seeing some. An example is the yoga spiral l've seen today on tv, ,,organised" by some adepts of a romanian guru called Bivolaru (who's now in Sweden as an exiled ). Kant understand them! That guy raped teen girls, twisted their minds, did all kind of porn illegal things and instead of being in jail , he's got ,,fans". That's bleahish! |
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Post by Nordis on May 6, 2009 20:51:40 GMT 2
Actually the name of the thread isn't supposed to suggest anything. Better add quotation marks to it How come fake medicines and corporation-funded scientific researches like "tobacco doesn't do any harm" don't make people laugh? The same harmful and criminal b-shit from the other camp. It's easy to be misleaded when someone who you automatically trust lies to you. I'd find it pretty hard to believe a cult leader who promises me eternal life and twenty acres of heaven but take an author from the other camp: a doctor. I believed for ten years that I couldn't ever get contact lenses and for two years I believed that my lazy eye couldn't be fixed surgically. Why? Because a doctor told me so and I or my parents didn't have any reason to question him. Everything he had said turned to be total b-shit after I had seen another doctor. Of course my example is a more feet-in-the ground one, but I don't blame the, say, mentally weaker persons who might be lost in their lives for falling into some cult stuff. It's all the same blind faith towards the author. Speaking of cults, they really give a bad name to any actual and even scientific research of the subjects they use to lure people. |
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2009 21:18:42 GMT 2
By not suggesting, ya suggest more! So, to be accurate here: should we post personal experiences on the matter or it will be a general discussion?  |
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Post by Nordis on May 6, 2009 21:56:33 GMT 2
I'd prefer both. Discussion about people's experiences and their possible causes would be the best, it would motivate the general discussion as well |
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2009 23:14:16 GMT 2
Ay,ay , Captain!  as personal experiences are closer and at hand, l'd start with general state of religiousness here. Tis a country where orthodoxy is so strong and also embeded on superstitions of all types, that it gave me headaches and made me sick as a teen. I don't mind them being so, l minded the lack of knowledge bout their own beliefs and spirituality..l mean l couldn't even point to smn that their holy book is a compendium of laws over and over written..by people like them,but spiritualy dedicated... I feel we'll talk more bout it here ... |
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Post by Mighty Croc on May 7, 2009 8:07:49 GMT 2
Me, and most of my friends broke down the chains of christ-insanity already. Now I try digging up some other religions (of course, except the monotheistic ones - christianity, judaism and islam) in order to find the only truth... and it seems that I already know the answers for some eternal questions.
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Post by wolferin on May 7, 2009 12:39:06 GMT 2
I'll also start with the general state of religiousness. The most of us are orthodox officially, but there are only a few people with pure, deep and sincere orthodox faith. The rest is superstition and folklore - both much more paganistic then christian.
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Post by Ǽcen on May 8, 2009 4:37:12 GMT 2
I'd say that there's two sides to any religion- the spiritual doctrine, and then the deeper social implications and cultural outlook that come with it.
Science has advanced us to where the old spiritual explanations are obsolete as explanations of nature, but are still relevant for the preservation of culture and history.
Most importantly, and this is something I think some of the "mumbo jumbo" people don't get: Even though science has replaced gods and magic and such, we still have the cultural realms of religion to explore and venerate. There's ways of seeing the world through secular mediums that are deeply ingrained within certain forms of spirituality. I would say it's certainly possible to have a Heathen, Judeo-Christian, etc. cultural outlook while being atheist or agnostic in terms of your beliefs in deities and forces.
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Post by Mighty Croc on May 8, 2009 7:31:23 GMT 2
That's right - but it depends on a person, on its mentality. I don't consider self a heathen one - though I believe in elves, trolls, Atlantis, Hyperborea, ancient wisdom and so on. It's too hard to explain my opinion about religions. Maybe, in the far future I'll move to a forest - because living in the city is a huge barrier to be heathen.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2009 18:19:18 GMT 2
It all comes to a personal level in the end. Individuality comes above everything. Labelling beliefs is common, but l kant do it with myself...received orthodox education, didn't accept the submission, being called atheist, heathen, free thinker...lots of those. All l know is that l am Me and l love my orthodox priests friends as well as the atheist and heathen ones. The bad part always come with extremes: blind followship, disrespect for one's culture and beliefs, intolerance. Mumbo jumbo!  |
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Post by Bartbär on May 8, 2009 20:04:20 GMT 2
Appropriate topic for a first post, considering this is something I've been thinking of myself very often lately.
I've had various experiences in my life that caused me to shift religious beliefs quite frequently, and the past year I've had many hardships that have made it hard to think about spiritual concepts. However things are clearing up, and my focuses are coming back together.
I'm with Walkyrie in that trouble always comes when extremism is a part of that persons beliefs. I have friends who are christian, atheist, heathen, and perhaps more that I do not know, but I get along with them because they are not fundamentalists. As soon as you throw on a veil that cannot be removed, you remain blind to the truth. I have my beliefs, and they are quite rigid, but only for as long as they need be. If I come across more experiences, more evidence, and a better understanding of things, then I do my best to better my beliefs and come towards truth.
I could go on a books-length about various problems and social controls of religion, it's use and history, as well as religion pertaining to the individual, but I'll spare that for now. I have a tendency to go on long tangents, and I'm trying my best to keep them to a minimum. If I get ahead of myself, please anyone feel free to point it out.
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Post by wolferin on May 9, 2009 9:07:21 GMT 2
For me I can say I have my own religion - a little of everything I like. I like the strenght and vitality of Asatru, the idea of reincarnation in the eastern believes, the deep mysticism of the Slav paganism, the freedom of Tangrism, the wisdom in Koran, the idea "God is love" in Christianity. But sticking to one definite religion seems to me like putting in frames.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2009 13:49:54 GMT 2
Indeed, Wolferin, tagging's not good. Anwend, yeah, tis an arborescent topic and at first l wanted to name a looong list of book and other references. But tis time, and we'll take it easy..if l may say so. PS: what l dislike more, no matter of religion is the blind submission. I like the cult of Zamolxe,the ancient god of Dacians as it somehow resembles with Thorr's |
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Post by wolferin on May 9, 2009 15:07:56 GMT 2
Walkyrie, Zalmoxis wanted human sacrifice every five years and I prefer from the thracian gods Dionysus - much more related to the parties. |
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as personal experiences are closer and at hand, l'd start with general state of religiousness here. Tis a country where orthodoxy is so strong and also embeded on superstitions of all types, that it gave me headaches and made me sick as a teen. I don't mind them being so, l minded the lack of knowledge bout their own beliefs and spirituality..l mean l couldn't even point to smn that their holy book is a compendium of laws over and over written..by people like them,but spiritualy dedicated... I feel we'll talk more bout it here ...
