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Post by huge94 on Nov 18, 2009 17:33:06 GMT 2
hey everybody !
was just wondering what was the instrument used at the beginning of 'beer beer' ?
Also what other instruments the band used apart from the usual ones (drums, guitars, bass, accordion and violin) ?
Thanks !
*Humppaporo edited typo in title
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Post by Eden on Nov 18, 2009 17:45:16 GMT 2
i believe the beggining of beer beer is a bagpipe..as for the second question, i don't know
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Post by Volk on Nov 18, 2009 18:54:58 GMT 2
SHAMAN DRUM!!!! Hmm, here's one instrument they used, at least in the early stuff (I don't remember hearing it in the later albums): Jew's Harp. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jew%27s_harp
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Post by Ariana on Nov 19, 2009 17:37:03 GMT 2
i think it is a good cuestion... ,i dont know about tradicional instruments.. and always want someone explain to me about that =P so, if someone want... im ready to listen it...( or read it =P)
thank you =)
Hugs!
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Post by HerraHirwi on Nov 19, 2009 18:07:01 GMT 2
was just wondering what was the instrument used at the beginning of 'beer beer' ? Estonian bagpipe, torupill and Finnish jouhikko. Also what other instruments the band used apart from the usual ones (drums, guitars, bass, accordion and violin) ? I'm a guest star, playing Finnish kantele in songs Kädet siipinä and Tuli kokko.
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Post by huge94 on Nov 19, 2009 21:53:31 GMT 2
hey thanks a lot for the replies ! That jouhikko seems like a very interesting instrument, is it widely played in Finland ?
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Post by aussieklaani on Nov 22, 2009 23:57:43 GMT 2
was just wondering what was the instrument used at the beginning of 'beer beer' ? Estonian bagpipe, torupill and Finnish jouhikko. Also what other instruments the band used apart from the usual ones (drums, guitars, bass, accordion and violin) ? I'm a guest star, playing Finnish kantele in songs Kädet siipinä and Tuli kokko. I'll plug Poropetra for you Juha! If you want to hear some traditional stuff, PM our guest star abd get his disc. It won't dissapoint!!! I bought it and built my own Kantele inspired by his works.
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Post by HerraHirwi on Nov 23, 2009 21:42:47 GMT 2
hey thanks a lot for the replies ! That jouhikko seems like a very interesting instrument, is it widely played in Finland ? Actually any of the older traditional instruments - like kantele and jouhikko - aren't widely known even here in Finland, because people remembers their roots so badly here. Or at least here in Helsinki; there are even people who actually don't know what kantele is (sic!). In Pohjanmaa, Savo and Etelä-Karjala provinces the situation is somewhat different, since there kantele and jouhikko still have strong traditions. Estonian bagpipe, torupill and Finnish jouhikko. I'm a guest star, playing Finnish kantele in songs Kädet siipinä and Tuli kokko. I'll plug Poropetra for you Juha! If you want to hear some traditional stuff, PM our guest star abd get his disc. It won't dissapoint!!! I bought it and built my own Kantele inspired by his works. Actually only our first demo can be described as traditional music or folk music - Sinihirwi album is already ethnic rock, since we have drums and electric guitars and electrified kantele-effects along with us on that album. But Sinihirwi still lies on very traditional tunes and elements of Finnic musical and lyrical traditions. You can download the whole our first Poropetra -demo and 5 songs from Sinihirwi album from here: www.mikseri.net/poropetraOur next album will be quite different. Ethnic elements will be lower than ever before, but good heavy rock, bluesy guitar solos, rock attitude and psychedelic elements can still be expected!
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Post by kuusuru on Nov 24, 2009 0:58:14 GMT 2
Actually any of the older traditional instruments - like kantele and jouhikko - aren't widely known even here in Finland, because people remembers their roots so badly here. Or at least here in Helsinki; there are even people who actually don't know what kantele is (sic!). That is really strange, because these are fairly recent roots. Entertainers like Pasi Jääskeläinen (1869-1920) were very popular 100 years ago, mixing humorous storytelling with kantele and popular songs of the time. Doesn't look like a popstar by today's standards : but was popular enough to tour the USA at least once . I know of him, because I know some of his descendants; the older ones remember their parents telling stories about people like him travelling around performing. True though that these are people from the north, from Haapavesi, Oulu, Kemijärvi; maybe these traditions are stronger the further north you go. Very unfortunate if people have forgotten these things so soon. Or, moreso, if they're not being taught about these things.
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Post by HerraHirwi on Nov 24, 2009 15:09:27 GMT 2
That is really strange, because these are fairly recent roots. Nope. 5-string kantele is at least 2000 years old instrument within Finnic and Baltic tribes and the oldest picture of a man playing jouhikko is from 1300's... Thus they're both old instruments and their exact age is impossible to tell well. Violin replaced jouhikko and kantele in Finland in 1700's and accordeon did the rest in the middle of 1800's. Only some players - just like you told about Pasi Jääskeläinen - kept the tradition on even to 1900's. True though that these are people from the north, from Haapavesi, Oulu, Kemijärvi; maybe these traditions are stronger the further north you go. Well, at least Haapavesi is one of the strongest kantele towns in Finland, where the tradition has survived, revitalized and where people are proud of their roots. Like said, there are places in Finland where kantele is very well known too. But in Helsinki - or let's say frankly in the whole Southern Finland - there are very little known about anything traditional. Or if people speak about "folk" or "old instruments", they mean more of Irish or Swedish music (=non-Finnish) and instruments. In here people want to be something different that they are; people are embarrassed of their Finnish roots. There are many wannabe-Vikings among many Finnish metal musicians, fans, listeners and within ordinary people, which I find one of the very disturbing and irritating trends of the 2000's... Very unfortunate if people have forgotten these things so soon. Or, moreso, if they're not being taught about these things. Actually people are taught about it, but in a wrong way. Kantele, Kalevala and all the old stuff are seen in Finland as a stone-sleigh, which should be drag and keep within with pain and sweat - and of course as old as they can be! Nothing else is the option. A thing that you could be play ie. heavy metal - or even rock'n'roll - with kantele seems to be very odd and strange thought. The way I see it, traditions can survive only if they're about to change in times: you can guarantee the survival of kantele only by doing some modern stuff with it alongside with the old one. That's why I'm more playing metal and rock with kantele. They've done it in Estonia already by 20 years and in Finland they've realized it not before the 2000's. But Finland comes many years behind the rest Europe with every things, in good and bad. That's nothing new...
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Post by aussieklaani on Nov 24, 2009 23:44:52 GMT 2
That is really strange, because these are fairly recent roots. Nope. 5-string kantele is at least 2000 years old instrument within Finnic and Baltic tribes and the oldest picture of a man playing jouhikko is from 1300's... Thus they're both old instruments and their exact age is impossible to tell well. Violin replaced jouhikko and kantele in Finland in 1700's and accordeon did the rest in the middle of 1800's. Only some players - just like you told about Pasi Jääskeläinen - kept the tradition on even to 1900's. Well, at least Haapavesi is one of the strongest kantele towns in Finland, where the tradition has survived, revitalized and where people are proud of their roots. Like said, there are places in Finland where kantele is very well known too. But in Helsinki - or let's say frankly in the whole Southern Finland - there are very little known about anything traditional. Or if people speak about "folk" or "old instruments", they mean more of Irish or Swedish music (=non-Finnish) and instruments. In here people want to be something different that they are; people are embarrassed of their Finnish roots. There are many wannabe-Vikings among many Finnish metal musicians, fans, listeners and within ordinary people, which I find one of the very disturbing and irritating trends of the 2000's... Very unfortunate if people have forgotten these things so soon. Or, moreso, if they're not being taught about these things. Actually people are taught about it, but in a wrong way. Kantele, Kalevala and all the old stuff are seen in Finland as a stone-sleigh, which should be drag and keep within with pain and sweat - and of course as old as they can be! Nothing else is the option. A thing that you could be play ie. heavy metal - or even rock'n'roll - with kantele seems to be very odd and strange thought. The way I see it, traditions can survive only if they're about to change in times: you can guarantee the survival of kantele only by doing some modern stuff with it alongside with the old one. That's why I'm more playing metal and rock with kantele. They've done it in Estonia already by 20 years and in Finland they've realized it not before the 2000's. But Finland comes many years behind the rest Europe with every things, in good and bad. That's nothing new... I think youa re spot on there Juha! The best way to keep ancient customs alive is to modernise them in your own way. That will always get people asking questions. It really disappoints me to hear that people that live in countries such as Finland struggle to keep in touch with their roots. Here in Australia, some of us are 3rd but at most 7th Generation. We don't have along history or an ancient history in our country and most of us start tracking down our European roots, only to discover that where we are from, most people don't care!
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Post by kuusuru on Nov 24, 2009 23:57:48 GMT 2
The way I see it, traditions can survive only if they're about to change in times: you can guarantee the survival of kantele only by doing some modern stuff with it alongside with the old one. That's why I'm more playing metal and rock with kantele. What do you think of the work of people like Timo Väänänen? I find much to like in Loituma - it's great musicianship if nothing else, and a few of the more contemporary tracks are really superb - but I've also listened to Timo's solo stuff, and honestly it loses me. I think it's too inaccessible to do much to ensure survival of kantele - especially in the public mind - and kantele deserves to be heard not only in the halls of Sibelius Academy or at Kaustinen.
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Post by HerraHirwi on Nov 25, 2009 1:10:40 GMT 2
Here in Australia, some of us are 3rd but at most 7th Generation. We don't have along history or an ancient history in our country and most of us start tracking down our European roots, only to discover that where we are from, most people don't care! You have aboriginal traditions in your country. I've fascinated very much with aboriginal instruments, such as didgeridoo. Maybe a combination between European roots and aboriginal traditions? That would be something. The best ethnic metal album I've liked is still Sepultura's Roots, because in that there's namely the Brazilian culture represented so well = something from Europe, something from Africa and something from indigenous peoples of Amazon + Brazilian ethnic instruments etc. I'm still waiting for a day when I could listen the real North-American ethnic metal album. A combination between metal, country & western, blues, jazz, old rock'n'roll, something from European folk and strong influence from North American Indians. What a great crossover it would be! The way I see it, traditions can survive only if they're about to change in times: you can guarantee the survival of kantele only by doing some modern stuff with it alongside with the old one. That's why I'm more playing metal and rock with kantele. What do you think of the work of people like Timo Väänänen? I find much to like in Loituma - it's great musicianship if nothing else, and a few of the more contemporary tracks are really superb - but I've also listened to Timo's solo stuff, and honestly it loses me. I think it's too inaccessible to do much to ensure survival of kantele - especially in the public mind - and kantele deserves to be heard not only in the halls of Sibelius Academy or at Kaustinen. Personally I like very much with Väänänen's work with electric kantele and totally new soundscape with it. I think it should be take much more forward. The way kantele survives at the best, is the electric. Or can you honestly say that ie. guitar is only a good when it's acoustic and classical and all electrified stuff (including rock, punk, metal etc.) loses you? Sibelius Academy stuff is namely that stone-sleigh dragging in your back with sweat and pain that does more harm to traditional instruments than good. Many of those "traditional style" kantele albums done in Sibelius Academy are quite boring if you ask me. I think that Timo Väänänen's decision to make electrified kantele music was actually a very big and brave step, since it a kinda way broke this tradition that all kantele-stuff should be only acoustic. Total hails and respect! I'm personally self-taught in kantele playing and thus I don't give a fuck about those stone-sleigh -attitudes! I play more metal and rock with my kantele and our next Poropetra album shall be heard much more electrified kantele than ever before with rock & hard rock soundspaces. I know that it may be a disappointment for some fans, but what can I say? You just have to do, what feels right. Luckily we don't have some much fans yet, heh.. At least it should give the feeling that everybody can play kantele and do whatever he/she likes with it - same as everybody can actually play rock'n'roll. Maybe some one even likes it and maybe some of us kantele players will take it even yet more forward? Who knows. Right now I'm tired of all this "traditional way" -stuff and I really want to take the next step and bring the kantele really into the next millennium: keep the traditions on but reshape, reinvent and renovate them. At Sinihirwi we actually already a little bit tried to do that, but we weren't ready for that yet, that's why I can see now why that album became more or less incomplete. I've played seven year for now this traditional style and now is time to do something else - otherwise it would be the same stagnation I resist at the bottom of my heart. You just have to leave something behind in order to keep forward. That's how the life goes..
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Post by aussieklaani on Nov 27, 2009 6:42:14 GMT 2
Here in Australia, some of us are 3rd but at most 7th Generation. We don't have along history or an ancient history in our country and most of us start tracking down our European roots, only to discover that where we are from, most people don't care! You have aboriginal traditions in your country. I've fascinated very much with aboriginal instruments, such as didgeridoo. Maybe a combination between European roots and aboriginal traditions? That would be something. It's a sad truth that the Aboriginal People and the white European's (Australians) don't mix well. They have a fascinating history. Didgeridoo playing is awesome and copied world wide. Australians don't connect with the Aboriginal history, we are more interested in how are lines came to Australia and why?
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Post by huge94 on Nov 28, 2009 23:37:00 GMT 2
This is all very interesting. I'm fascinated to know that a lot of people in Finland are embarrassed by their Finnish roots. I'm from the only French-speaking territory in America and I seem to care more about Scandinavian (Finnish mostly) traditions than my own, which is weird haha. I happen to think that my roots are too recent and boring compared to Finland and its fascinating history.
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