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Post by Olli The Drunk Bear on Jul 6, 2006 9:35:59 GMT 2
Good Good Miss Mary. Although I have listened to many grunge bands, most of them are not as bad Nirvana but Kurt Kobain was a nut though.
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Post by varjotuuli on Jul 6, 2006 11:53:21 GMT 2
it is right that i cant understand every lyrics when they are in a language i dont speak, but then i can first sing the lyrics and then i look first by myself the translation.....better.....i try to translate that and when i cant manage that then i will look to a translation......but when you say that you can better understand the song when you know the text is right...yeah, but also the music tells you something about the song not only the lyrics! for me it is not totally important to understand everything about the text......it is more important to understand what the song want to tell you...the message.....i can also realize the message without knowing the lyric, but when i said that i dont like music where i cant understand the lyrics i meant when they are singing and playing you cant understand what they want to say to you.....it is hard to explain but i hope you can understand that.... it is like when you hearing only the drums and the bass and then a raucous bawling then it is hard to understand the message behind the song cause it is everytime so similar.....
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Post by frostheim on Jul 6, 2006 13:32:00 GMT 2
i can also realize the message without knowing the lyric, If one hears only the music without knowing (almost / at all) anything about the lyrics, I still claim that one doesn't know anything yet about what the song really stands for at the end. Of course one can observe and catch the tones, all the melodies, structures, variations etc. and even certain fragments of the entire atmosphere, but most often it tends to happen that seeing the lyrics first after hearing the melodies etc. can actually surprise quite a lot. Works also vice versa of course. (I'll however remind people that now I'm not talking about ie. Sámi yoik or certain Siberian music traditions which have got certain collectivity within the society, thus people can catch all the ideas, elements, messages, purposes and even personal backgrounds and history as a whole from certain melody, styles and variations that don't ever even need to have any lyrics in them.) for me it is not totally important to understand everything about the text......it is more important to understand what the song want to tell you...the message..... It depends a bit on the music styles/genres/regional & cultural matters again, but at least for me the lyrics and the music generally form the song all together, thus one can get (most of) the ideas and messages in purpose only first after knowing and realizing enough from both of the aspects in question. Then again, how one can ever even know what the artists/performers/bands have really meant in their songs or what the "message(s)" in them are for real? Such understanding afterall requires much deeper knowing of the performing persons themselves, their backgrounds and history, education and specializations, professions and talents, reasons and purposes in general, before one can ever say for sure what the artists really have done and especially why and in what purposes and meanings. but when i said that i dont like music where i cant understand the lyrics i meant when they are singing and playing you cant understand what they want to say to you.....it is hard to explain but i hope you can understand that.... It's very natural and self-evident thing that usually one doesn't like music that is realized and brought up in ways one doesn't like, heh. it is like when you hearing only the drums and the bass and then a raucous bawling then it is hard to understand the message behind the song cause it is everytime so similar..... I'd say it's only a matter of one's very own attitude, willing and interests, and also up to what one has got used to and even experienced so far; ie. I've listened to metal music since '89, and have never got any difficulties or problems in listening to brutal and high-tempo music with growling/screaming vocals, blasting drums and heavily grinding guitars, even though I've always been very selective for what I'm listening to and what I'm not. I think I'll have a big (and rapid ;D) portion of Mortician when I get back home from job today.
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Post by varjotuuli on Jul 6, 2006 20:24:01 GMT 2
okay...i think i know now your opinion, Kuuraparta!! but it is always your way to think about music and how do you recognice and understand it! if it isnt like that way the world would be very boring!! every human have a different way to think and so it is with the music and other things! but thanks for showing your thoughts so exactly about music - understanding! it is always very nice to hear how other people think about their understandings!!
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Post by frostheim on Jul 6, 2006 21:39:30 GMT 2
but it is always your way to think about music and how do you recognice and understand it! Naturally; as you can very easily see there, I haven't never even claimed it being anything else than my very own opinion/point of view/way to see the matter in question. but thanks for showing your thoughts so exactly about music - understanding! Heh, your welcome. That's what we all are here for (at least I hope); as this is a forum afterall, we're here to discuss, to share our thoughts and to bring up each our own opinions; sometimes perhaps not so seriously, but sometimes also a bit more deeper from beyond the surface.
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Post by DaveTheRake on Jul 6, 2006 21:59:20 GMT 2
i can also realize the message without knowing the lyric, If one hears only the music without knowing (almost / at all) anything about the lyrics, I still claim that one doesn't know anything yet about what the song really stands for at the end. Of course one can observe and catch the tones, all the melodies, structures, variations etc. and even certain fragments of the entire atmosphere, but most often it tends to happen that seeing the lyrics first after hearing the melodies etc. can actually surprise quite a lot. Works also vice versa of course. I agree mostly. For example, the non German speakers could try the song Erdbeermund; there are two versions, -same lyrics, different music- by Subway To Sally and by In Extremo; you can't get the same impression when you here one version or the other, they're absolutely different! For me the tone in the Subway To Sally song is more appropriated than the In Ex song. This is just a glimpse of the importancy of the lyrics. I think that music and lyrics form a whole, they cannot be separated (that's why usually I'm bored when listening to songs with no music); for example remember Yesterday by The Beatles, that is one of the most beautiful songs in the XXth C, and it was going to be called Scrambled Eggs! Do you thing the effect would have been the same if instead of "Yesterday all my troubles seemed so far away" you hear "Scramble egg is what I've got for break everyday"? anyway I admit that I pay more attention to the music than top the lyrics, I'd give something like a 60%-40% because I can still like a song if I don't know what the lyrics mean... for example (sorry for the misspelling) Kyllä Vuotti by Värttina; it's one of the most beautiful songs I've ever heard and I didn't know what the lyrics were about, then once I knew it didn't moved me much than before I knew. But yeah, I think lyrics are quite important in a song and sometimes you like a song just because of the lyrics.
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Post by varjotuuli on Jul 7, 2006 18:27:08 GMT 2
But yeah, I think lyrics are quite important in a song and sometimes you like a song just because of the lyrics. i agree with you, but cause that i am hearing also classic music for me is the music more important than the lyrics but also the lyrics are some part of the song that is true! but you said that you also like a song without knowing the text and that is what i also meant! Sometimes it is so that i like the lyric but not the music of this song....then for me the music doesnt fit to the lyric.... or the other way round! but it is how you hear the song!!
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Post by Heiðinn Hermaðr on Jul 8, 2006 0:47:23 GMT 2
What kind of music do I hate ?? That's easy, Brazilian pop music such as funk, pancadão, pagode, and some others that I prefer not to know Their songs are very boring, they keep repeating 5 sentences for 3, 4 minutes straight and they don't make any sense at all, it's like "You love me, but you should make love to my friend" or "I live in the streets, I know I'm a deliquent but please police officer, don't arrest me, I love her so much !" Another song that is becoming really, really famous around here is a terrible translation of Blower's Daughter. I had already listened to the original version before the Brazilian pop singer Ana Carolina release the "É isso ai" (There it is). The translation is so bad that you can't understand what she means, like in "A vida tão simples é boa/Os passos vão pela rua/Ninguém reparou na lua/a vida sempre continua" (The simple life is good/Walking on the streets/Nobody noticed the moon/Life goes on" She's talking about the life then someone is walking on the streets, suddenly there's a moon, and when you don't even expect she's talking about life again !! But that's not the worst part, the worst part is that she's making a lot of money with that song and people applaud her when she sings that non-sense-terrible-translated song
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Post by swiatowit on Jul 8, 2006 21:14:27 GMT 2
Well, I've heard some kind of music, that's called Street Metal. For 5 minutes there is one verse: When you say to me 'fuck you' say it louder! Nothing fine, nothing musical. I really hate that.
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Post by cerna karkulka on Jul 9, 2006 10:40:02 GMT 2
I really hate Hip Hop, Techno and stupid Pop Music....
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Post by varjotuuli on Jul 10, 2006 19:16:49 GMT 2
But that's not the worst part, the worst part is that she's making a lot of money with that song and people applaud her when she sings that non-sense-terrible-translated song that i also hate very much....that you can make a song without able to sing and then you make very much money with that stupid horrible song......... here in germany you have a lot of such people...like daniel kuebelbock.......but i think the persons who buy and listen to those "music" are more stupid then the "singers"
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Post by huisgriezel on Jul 13, 2006 22:09:00 GMT 2
I dislike most hip hop and R&B music, and german schlager and variaties to it from all countries and I dislike what is known here in holland as hardcore and terror and all that shit. I think thats about it..
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Post by ♥Saawaaah13™ on Jul 13, 2006 22:24:57 GMT 2
Personally, I don't dislike any music. I like all sorts (like my parents) but some techno and dance, if you can even call it music, can get very annoying.
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Post by A Kat Person on Aug 29, 2006 4:42:55 GMT 2
Right, after reading Nordi's reply I must say that "music styles" like trance, dance and that other kinda crap are not music because they are mainly done on the PC which would take 5 minutes to create. I think you have not been exposed to much of it, in that case. Have you ever heard of a genre called Goa Trance? Or how about a group called The Orb? This is not music that would take 5 minutes to make. Electronic music has a wide range, just like metal. There is some seriously crappy metal out there that sounds like no-talent, just noise-making on a loud guitar and some screaming guys, and there you have it. And then there is truly stunning, sophisticated, soul-gripping metal, created by folks with obvious talent. Same with electro music. Goa Trance (no relation to common club trance) is a very complex genre created specifically to induce psychedelic-type trances, a person really has to know what they're doing to create this. You can't just go to a PC and put a few random tracks together! And, it really works. For example, I can't drive while listening to this music (might get into an accident!!) I have to be at home, sitting. The Orb is not of that genre, but the guy who created this group has a PhD in sound engineering, and it shows. These fellows do some twisted things with sound. I love this kind of music for different reasons from the reasons I love metal; the different types of music strike different parts of my soul. Metal is a more emotional love; this specific type of electronic music is more of a mental trip.
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Post by A Kat Person on Aug 29, 2006 5:05:54 GMT 2
and techno, dance, trance... i like them when they are mixed up with other music genres like with rock... in my opinion the mix of rock and dance is one of the best mixed-up-styles in the world ^^ I can agree with that... for some reason I really love various fusions, and hearing new mixes I'd never heard before. That is the main reason I tried out Korpiklaani and other folk metal bands in the first place - I thought the mix of folk and metal sounded very interesting! I love other mixes as well... like middle eastern music with modern beats (like Natacha Atlas)... metal and opera, techno and opera... medieval + metal (like In Extremo), medieval + techno/industrial (like Qntal)... I think often times these fusions are greater than the sum of their parts. For example, I hardly ever listen to something like folk or opera, but I love folk-metal and opera-metal even more than "plain" metal! And normally I downright dislike jazz... but I love it when some jazz is progressively mixed into metal i.e. Solefald...
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