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Post by kuusuru on Jan 18, 2011 9:42:38 GMT 2
Right! We have a thread about tin whistles, and a fine thread it is indeed. This thread is about shaman drums.
Specifically, I want to buy one next time I am in Finland. I have seen the ones in souvenir shops the last few times I've been there - some of them look very beautiful but I wouldn't buy a guitar from a souvenir shop, so I wonder at the wisdom of buying a shaman drum from one. In other words, I don't just want something to hang on the wall and stare at, I want the sort of thing used by musicians. If it looks beautiful, that is a bonus, but not the most important thing.
So does anyone know how suitable the souvenir shaman drums are for actual shaman drumming, and if they're not - anyone know anywhere in Helsinki, Lahti or Oulu where one can be purchased?
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Post by maris on Jan 18, 2011 9:52:35 GMT 2
in most countries should be workshops on how to make your own shaman drum. That way the drum becomes more personal since you make it yourself instead of buying one
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Post by Nordis on Jan 18, 2011 10:05:28 GMT 2
So does anyone know how suitable the souvenir shaman drums are for actual shaman drumming, and if they're not - anyone know anywhere in Helsinki, Lahti or Oulu where one can be purchased? I think I saw some at Fazer musiikki in Helsinki. The ones I've seen in instrument stores have been round and not really that large, so if you want to get one of those huge oval ones you'll most likely need to buy a souvenir or make it yourself. I have no idea how suitable those souvenir ones are for playing, I guess they're "ok" but I doubt that they're tuneable. Then again, the same bodhráns that are sold as souvenirs in Ireland are sold here as legitimate instruments, so I guess the difference isn't that huge unless you're a professional circle from player with golden ears  |
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Post by ps on Jan 25, 2011 8:25:34 GMT 2
I bought shaman drum in Lahti several years ago. It was made by Saami shaman woman. It's rather small, but sounds pretty good after heating a bit near fire or in the sauna. There are nice "prehistoric pictures" on it, including picture of a man (similar to Korpiklaani's shaman logo). And the name of my drum is "Mies" ("man" in Finnish)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2011 17:42:35 GMT 2
I bought shaman drum in Lahti several years ago. It was made by Saami shaman woman. It's rather small, but sounds pretty good after heating a bit near fire or in the sauna. There are nice "prehistoric pictures" on it, including picture of a man (similar to Korpiklaani's shaman logo). And the name of my drum is "Mies" ("man" in Finnish) Thank you, that gives us hopes we'll find one.  If it's not much trouble, can I ask..was it in a souvenirs shop or in a musical intruments ' shop that you found it? |
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Post by ps on Jan 25, 2011 19:21:38 GMT 2
If it's not much trouble, can I ask..was it in a souvenirs shop or in a musical intruments ' shop that you found it? It was a souvenir shop. Vapaudenkatu street, I think. But I was there in 2005, so maybe the shop doesn't exist anymore. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2011 23:51:01 GMT 2
If it's not much trouble, can I ask..was it in a souvenirs shop or in a musical intruments ' shop that you found it? It was a souvenir shop. Vapaudenkatu street, I think. But I was there in 2005, so maybe the shop doesn't exist anymore. Ok, thanks. |
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Post by Bartbär on Feb 1, 2011 0:05:13 GMT 2
I imagine that although there may be some generic cheap ass knock-offs of Shaman drums in some souveneir shops that a good deal of them would be authentic good-quality drums. Considering the Shaman drum is quite an important symbol of Saami past it seems to yield a great deal of respect from suppliers who would only carry good quality material. Of course that doesn't mean it's exempt from companies trying to take advantage of the beauty, sound, and power of the drum.  Since you'll be in the shop, just pick it up and play.  You can feel the difference between a real hide and a fake one, also if it has symbols painted on try to denote if it's hand-painted or printed. If it's the former than it should add to the authenticity. Then again, even if it isn't authentic all that matters is the feel you have and the sound it yields when playing it.  There is ONE supplier of Shaman drums that I've found in the United States, located in Colorado, sadly though they are currently out of stock, but I think (hope!) they get more shipments in. That would be the most awesome thing to have decorating a wall, something that is both beautiful in its own right but can be taken down and enjoyed. Good luck in the search! |
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Post by rhiannon on Feb 1, 2011 12:13:49 GMT 2
Don't worry if you buy one in a souvenir shop or museum shop or where ever, it will speak to you. Just look around, maybe you have to go into a few shops before you see one (feel one). It might not be the most expensive made by some famous artist, this does not matter, it will be your drum. I found a little plain drum made by Zuni Indians in a tourist shop in New Mexico - it was just sitting there with lots of similar drums an it was saying "take me home, buy me" so I did. I never use it but just like to hold it from time to time. Its been in my life for over 15 years and is like a little friend.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2011 20:49:08 GMT 2
Thank you Rhiannon and Bartbär. You're both right, and honestly if at some point I felt somehow discouraged, I am more confident now we'll get one that will have a meaning for us..we'll give after it will grab our attention, or as Rhiannon said after it will pick us . Would be great if it's playable though, it's sth I mean to do with it afterall, hehe.. We'll see and tell. |
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Post by Heer E. Tik on Feb 1, 2011 21:35:42 GMT 2
Make sure to post pics when you get it! I bet you will see many diverse drums with various symbols painted on them that are not identical, just follow your heart and gut towards the one that pulls you most. I'm sure though this thread is not only about purchasing a drum but about drums themselves, so let's bust out some discussions about it Some philologists are content to see the Old Norse word vétt (occurs both in Völuspá and Lokasenna in magic context) as something drum-like, in which case this tantalizingly suggests a link to shamanic circumpolar practices within Nordic magic. No drums were ever found archaeologically though in Norse speaking regions, so it bears reminding this is only a hypothesis among many others built on shaky lingo. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2011 15:31:08 GMT 2
Will be done, Heer. Of course, it's for this type of discussions too. Never heard of that hypothesis though... hmm.. |
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You can feel the difference between a real hide and a fake one, also if it has symbols painted on try to denote if it's hand-painted or printed. If it's the former than it should add to the authenticity. Then again, even if it isn't authentic all that matters is the feel you have and the sound it yields when playing it. 
