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Post by Scalawag on Jan 10, 2005 23:33:27 GMT 2
yeah, that is fucking annoying but the correlation is being largely upheld by many labels, distros and zines (l-d-z) as well... take for instance Graveland, no l-d-z that isn't outright fascist isn't going to write nsbm or white power metal or at least far right pagan metal to them in catalogues or anywhere, no Graveland stays "pagan" metal, although they claim to be nsbm themselves... so the hypocrisy of the l-d-zs (those who do it) is just sad (as all hypocrisy)... but hey, profits first, honour last, right? as long as the metal-media and production/distribution promotes nazi bands as pagan or whatever the links will always be here... they should name them what they are (and want to be) if they have the guts, or stop whining about shit they contribute to (not intended at you Twi ;D don't worry) themselves
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Post by Scalawag on Jan 6, 2005 23:35:56 GMT 2
why do i feel i'm on the defensive here? ;D alas, the hatred thing is well true... the really sad thing is that pagan/folk-metal is nowadays becoming more and more a synonym for nsbm/white power (read: pinkish bullshit) and similar crap, while most pagans nowadays aren't "aryans" (yet alone european) or anything... and even the most (dare i say it?) "hippy" pagans with even the slightest links to european heathen heritage are considered to be some far right stormtroopers so shit should be called shit and that's why i like Eluveitie's firm standpoint and no i don't necessary think that all metal bands should scream about being non-nazi if they're not linked to morons... everyone should figure out their own thing ;D cheers
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Post by Scalawag on Jan 6, 2005 21:37:03 GMT 2
How it is more recent? People have always hated each other. ;D So far as I know, unlike judaism christianity isn't even racistic ("All people are equal in front of God"). But my actual point was that people shouldn't make ideal fantasies about the essence of paganism, or anything else. I mean, like saying that "the vikings just defended theirselves from the evil christians". ;D ;D I bet we are ten times more tolerant now than an average ancient pagan was. hated each other yes, but racism means deeming people inferior/superior on the basis of their skin color, language, culture... that steems from the judeo-christian (even islamic) tradition... judaism and later on christianity and islam were/are extremely religiously intolerant, that's why christians were persecuted in ancient Rome, and jews disliked in many parts of the Orient, because they saw people that held other beliefs as they as inferior - infidels... whereas pagan societies accepted and engulfed other beliefs without demonization... that's what i meant as for tolerance then and now, we can only guess... Caesar for instance wrote that homosexuality was common practice within celtic tribes (men and women), and the status of women in both celtic and nordic tribes was a whole lot better than later on, actually not until the late 20th century... hm, about idolising paganism ;D i'm not really pagan, just thinking about natural spiritualism-shamanism a bit... idolising is bullshit... okay, that much from me
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Post by Scalawag on Jan 6, 2005 20:55:03 GMT 2
hm, i thought that since the Neanderthals became extinct there is only one human race but, yeah, people were always scared of the unknown, still racism is a more "recent" thing (medieval-christian/judean), dogmas are old as fuck, that i agree with, just called taboos etc. still, few "pagan" (occult elitist militaristic orders i'd prefer to call them) circles today are racist/fascist
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Post by Scalawag on Jan 6, 2005 18:38:37 GMT 2
i've only heard one album on which he collaborated with some other guy, and they were using some japanese flutes and other stuff to play breizh songs, interesting
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Post by Scalawag on Jan 6, 2005 18:31:51 GMT 2
Eluveitie, yeah ;D my fave celtic folk/metal (beside Cruachan), though their "helvetic" language shouldn't be taken too seriously, i bet the helvetic tribes wouldn't understand one bit of what they're singing... ...other than that they're really good, i can hardly imagine a band so large functioning well in the metal scene (*evil smirk*)
and hey, they've the guts to promote anti-fascist pagan groups (actually real pagans can't be fascist or racist or whatever, that's for scared, dogmatic religions), how cool is that? ;D
french music i dunno much about, just some Breizh (bretagne/brittany) bands: Celdones, Tri Bleiz Die, Daonet, Melmor (folk/rock with some metal and punk influences, not all though) and two bagads (trad. breizh bands: bagpipes, drums, etc.): Bagad Kemper and Bagad Brieg
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Post by Scalawag on Dec 22, 2004 16:20:16 GMT 2
to turn this subject to it's original idea ;D here's a band not really from "my" country but from one of many peoples i descend from: the Roma (gypsies) of Hungary.
MITSOURA most likely one of the best (if not the best) Roma band nowadays!
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Post by Scalawag on Dec 16, 2004 11:53:17 GMT 2
Back to the topic: folk from "my" country: Schandmaul Corvus Corax Fabula Aetatis Subway to Sally Cultus Ferox how about Saltatio Mortis? or are they Austrian? i'm no big fan of "medieval" music but i like Saltatio Mortis, and In Extremo too.... Morgenstern have some good songs too... they i know are Austrians
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Post by Scalawag on Dec 7, 2004 22:43:25 GMT 2
Dave, in my country the good shape of Aznar was created. The only reason for it I can suppose is that our president Putin's gonna to do the same Is Zapatero better? we'll wait and see, though i doubt it... "power corrupts the best" a weird bearded Russian guy named Mihail Bakunin (our iberian kinsmen might have heard of him) wrote once.... politicians are more or less all the same fuck 'em all! some interesting celtic music for all celtic music fans, Breizh (brittany/bretagne) bands with pipebags: Bagad Brieg Bagad Kemper ;D
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Post by Scalawag on Dec 4, 2004 21:46:42 GMT 2
finnaly heard Huun-Huur-Tu... damn, this is AWESOME i've something not so usual to recommend too: ULALI northern first nations' (a.k.a. native north-american) women singing both traditional stuff, as well as mixing it with blues... one of my faves
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Post by Scalawag on Dec 2, 2004 19:57:55 GMT 2
things get pretty darn weird when i get quoted... it's quite interesting though that most nsbm bands are from countries whose populations the nazis wanted (want) to eradicate, like poland, ukraine, russia... there is some sick logic behind it though, the nazis in the east think that they are racially purer than those in the west, since the iron curtain held other "racial elements" away... ...so, if this white power bullshit (white people demanding rights they already have) is eradicating national hatred between "white nations" how do they define themselves? like austrian nationalists with italians ones (south tirol), italian nazis with slovene and croatians? polish ones with germans? don't they get into fights over their national minorities, borders etc? or am i missing some profound way towards a fascist international brotherhood of paneuropean love? ...my guess is though that those people are so FUCKING STUPID they can't even dig their own moronic ideology/dogma... ranting balkanese ;D
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Post by Scalawag on Dec 1, 2004 18:17:08 GMT 2
I do agree with you, but still, their first album is very good, with no nazi ideas in it, i think they went into this stupid Nazi thing later, and then they began to suck. P.S. I know one nazi girl in Israel. I KNEW IT! stupidity is indestructible! beati paupere spiritum...
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Post by Scalawag on Dec 1, 2004 11:42:46 GMT 2
Temnozor? UNGH No thanx! I don't care how good their music might be, stupid bastards stay stupid bastards.... somebody ought at least explain to all slavonic nazi bands that that stupid little fuckup with an even stupider moustache wanted to exterminate all Slavs... what's next? Nazis in Izrael? Black KKK members? Alas the little scumfuck eventually said, when he finally recognised he was gonna loose the war, that the Germans can all die as far as he was concerned as they are unfit to wage war for survival of the fittest. I'd like to hear some good russian folk-metal though.
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Post by Scalawag on Nov 30, 2004 11:27:40 GMT 2
it's nice to see a folk/etno discussion at a metal forum without those nsbm morons but it sure sux that we all have to explain ourselves a million times only for liking metal or european (especially northern) folk/etno music... gutless political corenctness always preaching about something but never acting when it's supposed to... saloon-antifascists... bah! anyway, the music proscribed by our iberian kin is GREAT!!! gotta try to get some albums ordered by local record stores... ;D ;D ;D how come nobody posted TENHI, it's a good etno sorts of band? uncle Lenin... hahaha... i remember from ex-Yugoslavia when we had all those songs about comrade Tito, from those for kids to those for the adults, the army, etc. LOL i was just a kid back than so i've no hard feelings for that period personaly, although a lot of shit went down... not nearly as much as after '91 though... nationalism is stupid, period! (not that other systems are any better though)
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Post by Scalawag on Nov 29, 2004 19:04:03 GMT 2
THANX EVERYONE!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D y'all sure put down a lot of interesting stuff for me to track down... i'm only familiar with Värttinä from these 'till now... from Spain (estado Espanyol jejeje) i'm only familiar with: HEVIA (Asturies), which is quite good and AMPARANOIA (Andalucia)... from Portugal i know nothing, Luar na Lubre sound great... i really dig celtic influenced music from the South (south of the Isles that is ;D ), not that the rest is bad, just a bit worn out perhaps... hmmmm, might as well post these, since they're close to "my" land:
ARBE GARBE are from North Italy (close enough ;D ) and play furlanic folk songs with a nice rock/punk feel to it....
BALKANIKA are (were?) an interesting balkan etno music mix project worth checking out
GUSTAFI are a fun etno/rock/punk mix from Croatia with a brass backup
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