Really? My bad. I thought that the official list on the pages would be still the most reliable source The tour dates section on Facebook don't seem to be much use either. I hope someone has better information about the dates and can help you off
Hah, I actually missed a bus because I had to rush and write that comment :-P I don't know what kind of provision CDBaby takes for their sales, but Bandcamp takes only 15% which is next to nothing in comparison to many other download stores. Atleast they don't try to pull off the videos and songs the artist's have themselves posted on YouTube. I know I sound like if I was on Bandcamp's payroll, but I'm really just a satisfied customer. Haven't uploaded or sold any music through them yet, but I've bought and discovered plenty Apart from selling the downloads, I'd publish the albums on Spotify as well. The revenue from a single streaming might be small, but at least it generates something for every single play unlike mp3's which can be sold only once.
Hell fucking no! I talked with an artist who has his music on sale there and the store behaves like if they are the copyright holders and own all the music that's ever been put up there. They send copyright claims and threats on YouTube on behalf of artists, without them even knowing about it, all the time.
I say go for bandcamp.com/ , it's good for artist as far as I know and bying music is fool-proof easy for clients since you don't even have to register to buy your mp3's, wavs, flacs or any other possible format they offer
Esteban: I so envy people who can actually build their own instruments. Mine would be nothing but a fuzz of duct tape and rubberbands if I ever tried to make one
I was planning to release an EP this winter, but as always I managed to get and keep myself busy with tons of other stuff. So here's the only completed track so far, I thought I'd just toss it online since it's already starting to feel a bit "old" for myself. Trollish freeform psytrance, as you please ;D
Great thread Takes me back to so many great things I've had and shared with the community.
I think I was first introduced to folk metal back in 2001 when Finntroll's Jaktens Tid was released. Den Hornkrönte Konungen was played on a weekly metal show on radio and being a fan of Iron Maiden, Children of Bodom, Stratovarius and all kinds of fantasy stuff I instantly fell in love with the song and the simple folky lead melody. Fast forward few weeks or months and I had found Moonsorrow, Thyrfing and Turisas through Finntroll's forum, some album reviews and of course from quite a few downloads from Audiogalaxy and Napster. Next year I was introduced to Shaman and eventually to Korpiklaani when I saw the video for Kanohta Lávlla* on a finnish metal portal Imperiumi.
There was a forum called Vladimir's viking metal page or so which was the predecessor of Viking Blood community. I was active in there for a while until in 2003 another member, and later a friend of mine from Finntroll forum founded a community called Trolleve. The site and forum quickly became THE community for all things folk and viking metal, hosting the official forums for Turisas, Eluveitie and some other I can't recall. The community was fairly large, international and active and there were regular album reviews, interviews and all that jazz. Many members from the forum also travelled to European festivals from overseas to meet each other and I still have some good friends who I met back then There was also a sense of competition with Viking Blood who were doing exactly the same thing with their page and forum. I suppose there were enough people in the scene to actually divide into two camps and take sides, something which looks really silly nowadays
That era is what I'd call the golden age of folk metal. Over the years the forums got more quiet and Trolleve was closed around 2007, about the same time as Viking Blood. There wasn't anymore a single hub for the fans, but some registered to different bands' forums' while many just disappeared from the radar.
I agree that there's still this good feeling of community on gigs. The spirit is still there even though the fan base has split into smaller, more band-oriented groups
Edit: Wayback Machine has a few snapshots from Trolleve's forum index. Didn't remember we hosted forums also for Asmegin, Månegarm, Forefather, Heathen Crusade (pre- Pagan / Heidenfest tour), Tyr and almost all of the major bands back then. I remember Korpiklaani didn't want to move over, so we're still running on the same forum as in 2003
Edit 2: I forgot to mention Viking Blood was re-opened last spring -> www.vikingblood.net/ . Unfortunately the site looks pretty quiet though
...aaand Edit 3: To answer the question how I become involved in the scene, I'd put all the blame on Finntroll's forum which was really active back then. I became a regular member, then a moderator for a few years until I got too pissed with all the n00bs who didn't respect any rules. Discovering the new bands that kept emerging across Europe kept the communities busy, it seemed like there was a new good demo out almost weekly. The fact that band members used to be really active on the forums was also a huge thing, it really created a special bond between the community and the artists when you could casually discuss about food, pets, politics or the print of their next shirt on their forums. Actually I could say that the artists were members of the community just like everyone else
*) Seeing the video again right now I think I realised where I got the idea for my red hair...
But I think I've made my stance quite clear already. Could anyone tell any scientific facts why eating meat would be a good thing?
Just read this, had a long and tiring day , so will check later the link , totally got my attention.
I wish to add the thing which I know about regarding your new question: the role of proteins in the functioning of the human body. www.brighthub.com/science/medical/articles/6050.aspx Also, the other thing I know from school, is that animal protein have a complete set of aminoacids which help in this functioning , a set which vegetable protein do not. Although, the latter have more vitamin C and minerals and also less cholesterol..but the chain has some missing links. I am aware, as humans we act like the masters of everything on land, and in general have the colonialist mental, but...it's hard to get rid of that, isn't it... That's all for today, too tired to say more.
Meat is indeed a good source of protein, but it's still awfully wasteful compared to plant-based sources. A kilo of beef has eaten multiple times more protein than humans get from the final product. Eggs are ecologically way more better option, even though animal rights wise they are pretty much the same. I did a quick googling about the amino acids in vegetables, and at least American Heart Association begs to differ -> circ.ahajournals.org/content/105/25/e197.full .
Humans do a lot of bad decisions indeed. We smoke, drink too much alcohol, eat too much meat (and often food in general), speed while driving and fight each other while being 100% aware that it's just plain harmful and destructive behaviour. But even still, we do so because we decide to do so, not because we're forced to or because it's some law of the universe. And everybody makes those decisions, that's why I'm not pointing fingers to anyone. Or more likely, I'm pointing fingers to everyone including myself, and everyone should be doing the same "They" do not destroy the environment, there is no "them" to oppose or to protest against. We're all in the same big mob. And there is no "us" doing something, there is only 7 billion individuals making their very own decisions in their very own heads each day
Me myself hardy eating any meat because I don't like meat(taste) am one to say to people to eat what they please
I used to be quite a meat lover, but some time after leaving it from my diet I noticed that it wasn't the meat that was good. It was all the seasoning. I mean, would anyone eat any meat without at least salt and pepper? The only good things I can think of meat as an ingradient is the texture and the fact that it's really easy to prepare in several ways.
In the end the whole don't eat meat/eat meat discussion falls on how one's point of view on the matter is. But my personal experiences are that self proclaimed non-meat eaters who do it just because they pity the animals(being killed) and a lot of vegans have more extreme views(verge of almost naive thinking) on using natural elements for consumption and usage then average Joe the meat eater
I wouldn't want to sound mean, but that's like saying pollution was a point of view. "Oh, I just dump this waste oil into ditch because I like it that way". It is simply bad for the nature and it's not an opinion but a fact. Here's a short article about UN's 2006 report on the issue -> www.fao.org/ag/magazine/0612sp1.htm . The whole report is downloadable at the bottom of the page if anyone feels like reading.
I do have a belief that meat eating and respect for animal(rights) can go hand in hand; You just have to make a little effort in searching and buying animal friendly products like free-range meat, those animals have a good life before they end up in the store.
For me the main problem is not eating meat itself, it's that we eat too much of it and most people don't care where it comes from as long as it's cheap.
I tried to eat meat ethically and ecologically for quite a while, but in the end it was so much hassle that I just didn't bother. I could pick an organic finnish pork chop from the store but there was no way of knowing if the pig had born and slaughered here, born in Germany and then shipped here to grow and be slaughtered or grown in here and slaughtered in Estonia. And it was still easy for clean cut or minced meat, with sausages or anything else processed there was no way of knowing where the meat was from and how it was produced. Turns out finnish Subway ships chicken for their sandwiches all the way from Indonesia and "meat" even in 100% finnish processed products is often nothing but skin and entrails soaked in spices. The remnants of antibiotics and other medicine, as well as nitrite and other harmful additives in meat were something I just didn't want to eat at all.
Also I think it's nearly impossible to live in a "civilized western country" without using way more resources than most people. Guess I do that only by going to work by car every day But we can at least try not to waste resources sensless and avoid pollution as much as possible.
Sadly, meat production is nothing but senseless waste of resources and the worst polluter there is. The whole world population could change their cars to hybrids, lightbulbs to LEDs and keep a lid on the pan when boiling potatoes but it still wouldn't help even nearly as much as replacing meat on even every second meal. The "green" and "ecological" solutions so far are nothing but a way to buy ourselves a cleaner conscience and even on their best they're just nitpicking in the face of the real problem. I read (I still have to double check this) that if red meat usage dropped just 10% there would be enough free farmland to end the world hunger. Not sure how that percentage is counted though, since there already is way enough food being produced.
I totally agree with most of what you wrote, but to be honest I don't like to be compared with a bass murder still just because I eat meat. Don't get the point why this should deny me the right to be against cruelty to animals or environmental pollution.
Can't write more at the moment for I have to go to work now, but I will be back afterwards.
I didn't compare anyone to anything, I just used an analogy that I thought would be easy to understand and that just popped into my mind. I'm sure you understood what I meant But enough with the metaphors, let's just put it as it is: What good does a respect towards animal rights and nature do if one willingly contributes to their degeneration and destruction? I simply couldn't answer to this myself, so I found out that the only right solution was to be honest with myself and to practice what I preached.
The irony of meat-eaters preaching about any enviromental subject is just overwhelming, that's like a mass murderer or a warlord woeing about all the violence in the world.
I don't feel guilty with eating meat. I was born, raised and currently still live in an east-european country where the Iron Curtain may have ''frozen'' in time things a bit. That means people, including my family and everyone else I know grew their vegetables, had their own cattle, chikens, ducks, geese, etc and sacrificied at Christmas a pig for all family (which btw, brought us the name of awful killers. Cute. ). All theirs. Shopping didn't include lots of food, at least in the countryside (which is biggest part of the country anyway). Commie system falling has altered those things a far bit, but not radically: everyone prefers still to eat their own veggies or buy from a neighbour who's having and sells them. Animals are still raised in people's properties and some of them now are sold to abbatoirs (it's from where I buy now my meat, given we in our family -except my aunt who's having lots from all domestic species - don't raise many animals these days either). Western eating habits have invaded here too, will not say we're the innocent angels of Europe, but that happens in less measure than the West has known up until 21 years ago when these big fast food chains came here... Which is why I think the differences of opinion upon this strict matter exists..we've got different backgrounds, cultural identities and of course different customs as well, including in what regards eating. Again, I don't say this people is innocent (or myself) and only others pollute, etc, but I know for a fact this was /is the general situation with the other countries in the area too. Don't think we're worst Europe or world has.... And it's hard with this background to think of these other way than I mentioned above. I don't know how I will feel in a few years time, given in a few months will leave this place.....enroll to western life's way ....but still wanting to have my land, raise my animals, grow my vegetables...
Your last paragraph is giving me hope.
EDIT: Just realised that we don't throw food, and it was one of the things which shocked me in some measure when going abroad... Even from what we cook , the dog and cats have their share and that never goes to the bin. I also have respect for bread as it's sth holy, cannot conceive to throw any. Actually bread crumbs or dried bread is what we use to make those crumbs for schnitzels... Was talking to a friend not long ago on how we have inherited soemhow the habits of our grandparents who always had to have a stash from everything and never threw anything..but then again, there was hunger, there was food privations which they endure..yet, they hbit stays with us, even if society is a different one.. Sorry if I bored with these, but the topic stayed in my mind all afternoon.
I admit that all meat isn't bad ecologically, I just didn't bother to edit my text for Nth time anymore Game and wild fish, if fished locally and only for the current need, are in fact way more ecolgical than any exported vegetables or grains. The trouble begins when the people who live in cities and thus can't grow cattle or any other food are subject to the food industry which is out there only to make profit. The beef sold here is often from South America or Africa, local cattle and pork are fed with endless amount of soy protein shipped from far east, even the frozen fish and shrimp from North Sea are first shipped to Southeast Asia to be boned and prepared and then shipped back to be sold in here. All this just because it's more profitable with the (underpaid) cheap labour and almost non-existent environmental regulations. And that's the situation with food in most of the world's cities. Most meals have travelled and seen the world way more than than their eaters ever will. Having an odd steak or grill ribs every now and then might not seem like a big issue on personal level, but to put things in perspective one can imagine the sheer amount of animals we eat daily and the amount of farm land hey need to be fed. For a record, an average large indian butchery can provide 100 metric tons of cut beef a day ( bit.ly/Ou4bBE ). That's quite a few cows, fed with food from a farmland farmed by malnutritioned farmers who can't afford to buy the final product themselves.
You're so right. But it looks impossible when there are 7 billion destroyers against us.
There are lots of things which gotten out of control...like the population number going up, while natural resources went down, unable to cover feeding needs. Not mentioning financial interests.
Back to the initial line of the topic, I think above on the page, the others have summarised perfectly things.
Fun fact: The amount of food produced today would be enough to give each 7 billion people a 2.700 calorie diet each day. That's not happening because of the failed social and economic systems (people can't grow food themselves yet they can't afford to buy it either), the uneven distribution of arable land and because we westerners waste insane amounts of food (when was the last time you ate 100% local food? I can't recall doing that ever). In US half of the edible food goes to waste and Europe isn't doing too much better either. And if we ate the grown plants ourselves instead of feeding them to animals, there simply wouldn't be ANY such issues as sweet water shortage, deforestation or even hunger in the same scale as there is. The irony of meat-eaters preaching about any enviromental subject is just overwhelming, that's like a mass murderer or a warlord woeing about all the violence in the world.
The number of people on the planet isn't an issue itself, the problem is that our exceedingly destructive lifestyle is seen as progression and developement which all of us 7 billion are trying to either achieve or uphold. There isn't any "7 billion against us", since no matter how 100% recycled matter your shoes are or how many self-grown tomatoes you eat each summer, you are still using hundreds if not thousands of times more resources than the vast majority of the world population. Try justifying that to yourself and then calling others "destroyers".
It's not like things would be great at the moment, but at least we're kind of heading to the right direction. The number of starving and malnutritioned people has gone crashing down in the past few decades, and compared to the situation 100 or 200 years ago we've made some remarkable achievements such as the whole concept of human- and even animal rights. And even the number of ongoing wars and battles is almost nonexistent compared to what it was a few generations ago. Progression doesn't ever happen overnight