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Post by Talyla on Sept 19, 2004 18:16:30 GMT 2
Today in my town must be a concert of some local bands, playing metal. it was nearly 150 maybe less people but police didn't permit to realize the concert because of hard situation with terrorists. Just nowadays in whole country there is no any mass actions.
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Post by DaveTheRake on Sept 20, 2004 10:52:10 GMT 2
But the most curious thing! The military government is over! And now we have problems with Traffic! Because our laws is very light! But I don't think it's just a matter of light or heavy laws. For example when we had here in Spain our militar goverment ETA was more powerful than today, and we had then death punishment. I think that this is just a matter of ideals (if we could call what terrorists do "ideals"), I mean, if a guy has an strong ideal will nevermind the risks of death, torture, etc. I would dare to say that in fact what makes people get involved in things like traffic is just the economic situation; with traffic you can get very easy money in very little time. In terrorism is just another thing, but if you've got the ideals, you'll do whatever you feel you've got to do. Anyway I think you're right in that muslims are doing with us the same we've done for centuries to them. Well, in 1974 (I think) Morocco occupied the Spanish territories in Sahara desert, which had been Spanish for 5 centuries, which is a lot of time; and well, I can't say those territories were more Spanish than Moroquian, so I understand that they claimed those territories; in another way it's the same that happens with Ceuta and Melilla, which Morocco are claiming also; and that's the same that happens with Spain, the UK and Gibraltar. We are talking of territories whose politicians are playing without asking the people what they want to be or where they want to belong. In Chechnya there's some people fighting for a territory without asking its people. And I guess they would answer they wanted to be free, even under shariate laws; it's not a matter of personal freedom, but independence. I mean, if I'm a musslim I'd like to live under musslim laws, because those laws would be the right ones for me. The problem will be for those who doesn't believe so blindly in those extremist laws. About the possibility of Chechnya as a nest for terrorists... well, what Russia can't do is basing on a suppossition, attack a country. I mean, that's what USA have been doing in Irak (although we all know that was not the main reason why they invaded Irak), they've got a neighbourhg that look at them not very well, so USA think that neighbourgh is going to attack them... I don't know, I feel is so vague! I think every country has it's right to deffend itself, but I can't accept suppositions. Maybe Chechnya become a terrorist nest, if it become independent, but then will be the moment in which Russia will have the right to attack. I hope I've explained myself clearly it's just that today I'm a bit sleepy Bye for now
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Post by Talyla on Sept 20, 2004 21:16:27 GMT 2
Well, Dave, Russia consists of many republics and regoions. I can't even say now what is russia -what part of it! I, myself live in republic. If to think it has the same reasons as Checnya to ask for independence, it is also an oil here. I as for me i'm not russian by nationality though i feel myself russian. When USSR was broken all republics get the independence partly. Permission to save resourses inside and so on...We have even an independence day. But we are not fighting for an "independence" cos we have it but staying part of russia. I think that it in Chechnya it is not a problem of national dignity of fighting for freedom, first of all it is the question of money and some political "games". War is a good reason to spend money on other purposes.
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Post by DaveTheRake on Sept 21, 2004 15:45:19 GMT 2
That's something that I didn't know, the political distribution in Russia. In fact it's as in the USA, a Federal State, isn't it? It's good knowing it. Of course I can see in Chechnya the level of autonomy is a big one, but well, still I think that if it's proved that even with that independency level they still want more independence, they should get it. THe more I know about this theme the more similar it seems to be to Pais Vasco matter in Spain. They also have a great amount of autonomy but some people want a total independence (and they also take the terrorist path), some other people want to be a free associated state, and other people just want to remain as it is now. I supposse that in Chechnya it will be the same, there were different people that want different levels of autonomy from Russia. Surely you're right in that it's just a maquination of a small number of people, but I can promise that the image that we have out from Russia of this problem is that Russian goverment (in its attitude and methods) is almost like the old undemocratic goverment. Maybe we out from Russia are a bit intoxicated by the image the media shows about Russia... I don't know, maybe if I were Russian I would think on a totally different way, who knows?
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Post by Leitilsdal on Sept 22, 2004 18:53:08 GMT 2
Ahum! Hi everybody and welcome to the new members of the Klaani! Long time since I last wrote... sorry... I'm in one of those times in life when everything (almost) seems to change... Interesting everything that's been writing! I think we're very fortunate to have here in the forum someone who can tell us things first-hand, like Talyla... My opinion on the subject? ... That it's difficult to have an opinion... But until I reach a point of mental clarity in which I attain a nice good opinion, this is what I think: -Prison for a lifetime for terrorists, in a special confinment prison. No need to physical torture, just giving them a lifetime to consider what they've done, and become their punisher if they get to fully understand it. -Two people are fighting only if they both know that they're fighting and both of them can strike back to the opponent. It's not that terrorism is a un-ethical fight. It's not even a fight. Any terrorist, or people justifying terrorism, is a plain coward. I have maybe more opinions, but as they are extremely 'politically uncorrect' I think I'll just keep them to myself Cheers to everybody and may you have a nice life! Enjoy every breath you take, drink beer, listen to Korpiklaani and kiss your loved ones!
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Post by Southern Troll on Sept 23, 2004 13:48:14 GMT 2
Ahum! -Prison for a lifetime for terrorists, in a special confinment prison. No need to physical torture, just giving them a lifetime to consider what they've done, and become their punisher if they get to fully understand it. Hello brother! Welcome Back! Well i only agree with this part of your coment, with one condition! They have to work for receive food! Because i don't wanna pay the terrorist's bill in prision! For me everyone in prision have to work for their food! I it isn't happen in Brasil! This sux a lot! Have i nice day! I hope that humans learn with past and stop this insanity! Cause this sh*t is our fault! Independent of Nationality or color of skin!
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Post by DaveTheRake on Sept 28, 2004 15:17:09 GMT 2
Well, since it seems that the Osetian affair is a bit over now, I'd like to ask Jonne and Mr Hitta about a more relaxed thing... how went the shows that the band gave with TYR?
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Post by Jonne on Sept 28, 2004 20:41:06 GMT 2
We started our little tour tuesday from Helsinki here in Finland and gigs went fine with both of the bands. There wasn`t so many people that we are used to with our latest gigs but feeling was good at Stella anyway. Next day in Turku blowed us all. There was lot`s of people and feeling was higher than the roof. Probably the best Korpiklaani gig ever. Best gig that I saw from Týr too during the time. Then we took some beer... It was early woke because of the bus trip to Russia at thursday morning. There was easy beer drinking through the Finland but after the border in Russia we went to the shop and we bought lot`s of beer and booze. It took about 10 minutes and Cane was truly inside of throat singing We had a gig at friday and there was truly unbelievable party during the gig. Men who took care about the security was soldiers of army of Russian. They had terrain suits and full equipment on when they threw shirtless, sweaty russians down from the stage. I have never seen anything like that. That was THE show. Týr played a very good concert at saturday but it`s so hard to remember it. I was too drunk. The show time was too late to me also because we had those days behind us with the beer and minimum sleeping. After all it was amazing time but almost whole Korpiklaani got the shit disease and at least I had a hang-over almost a week....so I think it is the sign of the good little tour. THE DROP BEER WON`T KILL AND YOU CAN`T DROWN TO THE BUCKET OF IT.
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Post by twilightheart on Sept 28, 2004 22:47:14 GMT 2
Men who took care about the security was soldiers of army of Russian. They had terrain suits and full equipment on when they threw shirtless, sweaty russians down from the stage. What the f*ck!?! After all it was amazing time but almost whole Korpiklaani got the shit disease and at least I had a hang-over almost a week.... ;D ;D ;D Sorry that I have to laugh about it.... but hey, THAT`s really a sign for that you had a good time during tour!
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Post by Jonne on Sept 28, 2004 23:43:28 GMT 2
What the f*ck!?! ;D ;D ;D Sorry that I have to laugh about it.... but hey, THAT`s really a sign for that you had a good time during tour! Yup, I shared a hotel room with Týr`s Terji and our roudie. They really knew how to party
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Post by MaliceGarden on Sept 29, 2004 10:28:33 GMT 2
i met some finnish guys here. i asked if they knew the meaning of korpiklaani, but they didnt. maybe my accent fault. they are from the south. they were attacked some nights ago on the street. some stupid assholes punched the 2. but the police caught them immediatly after. i had some difficulty in pronouce one of they names: hantto(i think its written like this). the other is yarko(something like this).
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Post by DaveTheRake on Sept 29, 2004 11:59:17 GMT 2
It seems that you had a god time, arent you? About the security in the Russian gig... buff, it must be shocking; I can't imagine what you all could thought when you saw those G.I Joe's into the stage! At least I would think:"fuck! we are not so bad!"... It's ok the at last they just went into stage to throw people away... although I don't think they were kind at all with those who climbed into the stage. It seems that the season has brought at last a good number of gigs for you, I'm glad about it, although I wish you wouldn't do anything more that playing and playing each week. What about new gigs? are you in contact for more shows in a short time? How much I envy those who have been able to see you live! Yesterday I attended an exam on English for a friend. It's one the the most crazy things I've ever done; I had to present the documentation of my friend, and well, if they had look closely at the photo in the identity card, they would have notice that I was NOT that guy; but it went ok and it was exciting...and the most important thing is that thanks to that my friend has finished his degree. When I went out from the exam I was pissing myself laughthing. Then my friend payed some beers . So I think there's not much more I can do at university, just make a bomb explode, kill some professors and well, finishing my own degree ;D
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Post by Sethlad on Sept 29, 2004 13:37:38 GMT 2
THE DROP BEER WON`T KILL AND YOU CAN`T DROWN TO THE BUCKET OF IT. I'm guessing this makes some sense in Finnish.... then again, maybe not. hehehehe ;D Anyway, you sure seemed to have had some fun!! I would love to see korpiklaani live here in Portugal, but I'm afraid there wouldn't be much audience. I'll be perfectly honest... I don't think you have many fans here... at least all the ones I know are myself, grimner and malicegarden up north. Anyway... it'll eventually happen. Maybe you could put a good word for our band at Napalm and then we'de be labelmates and tour together. hehehehehe Cheers, and PARTY ON!!
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Post by Southern Troll on Sept 29, 2004 15:37:43 GMT 2
Do like me! I always recommend Korpiklaani to my friends! Now i know 15 fans only in Brasília! ;D
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Post by MaliceGarden on Sept 29, 2004 15:41:52 GMT 2
but malicegarden is far away of portugal. ;D i'm much closer to finland.so if you guys thought in performing in belfast it would really nice! some irish dudes are making fun of me for listening to folk metal(the are only joking because they dont know the concept) and it would be nice to teach them a lesson!
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