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Post by Ice Troll on Feb 26, 2008 3:57:57 GMT 2
I have only downloaded 4 albums... and I PAYED for them on the Zune marketplace. I find it a shame when people are downloading music of bands that they say they "love". But they don't "Love" them enough to pay a little to support them. I have always have always bought every album I own (Some twice on vinyl format). Plus you actually have something to show for your money. Not some stupid digital file that has thousands of virus's on it. These are the choices when It comes down to paying for music or downloading it:
1. Downloading: Screw over my favorite bands, get thousands of virus's on my computer so I can't do any thing on it, Have nothing cool to show my friends and break the law. But I save money.
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2. Buying a CD: Supporting my favorite bands, not get virus's on my computer, have something cool to show my friends and it's legal! But it costs me $10 or so.
Hmm... This is a hard one (sarcasm). I think I might just as well buy the CD.
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Post by Humppaporo on Feb 26, 2008 8:51:01 GMT 2
Many people i know download... and buy They buy the albums they really like, and the download of the bought cd often stays just on their computer because it is more convenient for mp3 players, and you do not have to rip yourself. The rest of the music they delete after a while. I buy cd's for two reasons: 1. Support of the bands i really like. 2. CD quality is much better! And it has nice things like artwork, lyrics and such I know that there are countries where cd's are so expensive that people can almost not afford to buy any. Here a new cd is about the double price of Icetroll's. Sometimes it is not possible to buy cd's from the bands you like. I have had that a few times. Once with a Russian band, a few years ago. Whatever we tried, it did not work, payment seems not possible. In the end we all gave up. Also cd's from smaller bands from far away (non-Euro) countries are not easy to get, let's just say: impossible.
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Post by Ice Troll on Feb 27, 2008 1:22:20 GMT 2
Double? Wow! Is the dollar over there worth crap?
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Post by Nordis on Feb 27, 2008 16:54:57 GMT 2
Double? Wow! Is the dollar over there worth crap? Well 1e is about $1,5. In Finland you have to pay somewhat twice as much for a mid-price cd than what you pay for a regular priced one New albums are usually about 19e ($28,5) in here. We just ordered a pile of albums (including few finnish ones) from US sometime ago because it was ridiculously cheap even after all the postage fees.
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Post by Humppaporo on Feb 27, 2008 17:13:53 GMT 2
Same here, a new alöbum is often between € 19 and € 22,50 here. That idea of ordering in America is not so bad... never thought about it. Thanks Nordi
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Post by aussieklaani on Feb 28, 2008 3:40:39 GMT 2
does anyone buy music from Itunes?
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Post by Nordis on Feb 28, 2008 16:06:42 GMT 2
does anyone buy music from Itunes? I once bought one Moomin song ;D I had to prove my girl that it exists because she thought I had made the whole song up. But what comes to downloading full albums: there's no way I would pay 10e or more for a bunch of files. Where does that cost come from? It's more or less free to make, store and sell those files unlike on the cd format. There's also no logistics costs at all, so it's just record companies making a way bigger profit from the very same music. If a full album cost, say, 5e on iTunes I would certainly buy music from there. Especially those albums that I find interesting at record store but I'm not willing to pay 20e for them because I'm not sure how they actually are. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it a common way that artists get a fixed payment per sold album no matter how much the wholesale or retail price of the album is? In the case where artist gets an bundle payment no matter how many albums are sold it's ofcourse different. And I'm not talking about the copyright money since it has nothing to do with the actual record industry. Actually, if the albums paid just 5e on iTunes and sold a lot more, wouldn't the artists get a way more money as copyright payments since that doesn't have anything to do with the retail price?
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Post by Humppaporo on Feb 28, 2008 16:18:48 GMT 2
I actually know of an album for which the artist did not get any money when it was normally released, and that is now also sold in mp3 format. Of course the artist still does not get anything. I would also not buy such full albums. You pay about 10 euro and indeed have 'only a bunch of mp3's' - not the nice covers and things, not the quality of a genuine cd.
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Post by Lionheart on Feb 28, 2008 18:53:57 GMT 2
About iTunes i dont know... but as far as i know for CD sales the following calculation was usually made:
10% Goes directly to the artist 20% Is used for production costs, studio etc etc. 30% Goes to the retailer so he can pay his bills. 40% Goes to the record label for marketing the album. Most of the money is spend though on promoting the top acts of the label.
This is a calculation which was used by several big labels for quite some years. I have no idea how it is now, but I reckon it wouldn't be too different from this.
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Post by Nordis on Feb 28, 2008 19:51:41 GMT 2
About iTunes i dont know... but as far as i know for CD sales the following calculation was usually made: 10% Goes directly to the artist 20% Is used for production costs, studio etc etc. 30% Goes to the retailer so he can pay his bills. 40% Goes to the record label for marketing the album. Most of the money is spend though on promoting the top acts of the label. This is a calculation which was used by several big labels for quite some years. I have no idea how it is now, but I reckon it wouldn't be too different from this. Sounds pretty reliable but who pays all the logistics fees? I suppose the retailers and importers do because they order the albums for sale... But back to iTunes: since they are the retailer and the articles they sell are nothing but 1's and 0's on their servers, how big percentage they actually take to "pay their bills"? I honestly don't know how their organization works but I suppose it runs so that they pay a certain amount of money to the record company per every downloaded song. I was thinking that maybe they pay big bucks for a license to distribute the album but it can't be like that because then it would make no sense for them to license albums from unknown artists that maybe 30 people would download. But still I THINK (I have no clue about the actual sales and statistics) that if the albums were half cheaper everyone would get more profit than they do now. Excluding us poor customers who would just spend more money to iTunes ;D
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Post by Helran on Mar 5, 2008 1:05:54 GMT 2
I have discovered a lot of group and kind of music via the donwloading. If I like I buy it if not I delete it! And it's the case for Korpiklaani, I donwloaded the first album of korpiklaani and 3 hours after I am bought the album, and the same case for Therion, Krux... And since the downloading I have bought a lot of album.
I think the donwloading is good to discover new band only if the album is bought after the donwloading.
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budikah
Wolfcub
Kindred Spirit
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Post by budikah on Mar 7, 2008 8:12:43 GMT 2
Now.. (Dont take this as advertising if you can, im trying to use an excellent example) ghosts.nin.com/main/order_optionsThis is by far the best I've seen to date as far as options go. Reznor has long been one of the loudest to shout his views on piracy and record labels. And I think hes come up with a good system. Today I downloaded the 10$ package off the website. I had the option of high quality Mp3's, FLAC Lossless CD Quality, or Mp4 iTunes compatible CD Quality. I got the iTunes one and popped it on my iPod. The CD's are also coming in the mail. I paid a total of 16 USD for 2 CD's and the almost immediate download of the music in one of, if not the best file format for music. I also nabbed a PDF and a bunch of extras with the downloads. And.. before you skip over it.. You can get the first 9 tracks for free in a high quality Mp3 format. This is the model I would like to see more often. I believe I got an excellent deal for what I paid. I could also listen to 5-6 of the tracks streaming off of the website before I made my purchase.
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Post by hawklord on Mar 8, 2008 20:03:05 GMT 2
I'm downloading a lot of bootlegs. Some times normal albums too, but after I buy an original copy, I'm deleting it from my hdd.
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Post by duncan on Mar 10, 2008 2:33:39 GMT 2
I never download music, though I sometimes check out bands on youtube before I buy. The truth is that the bands don't get much money from CD sales (especially with debut albums, where they may have to fund more of the recording costs themselves) but how much the lable makes from that band will determine how big a budget that band will get for future albums and tours. To support the band more directly of course go to the shows and buy a t-shirt.
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Post by Rempi on Mar 10, 2008 11:49:33 GMT 2
Hahhh,hmmmm,youtube,yes...I found some videos with titles from new Kk album...before it's out official... interesting...the pirates never rest...
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