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Post by Humppaporo on May 30, 2005 18:27:37 GMT 2
I suspected the Kädet siipinä video a bit more like this, it's very different, but I can imagine that it would be hard to picture it this way. I like it anyway!
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Post by Jonne on May 30, 2005 21:01:18 GMT 2
I suspected the Kädet siipinä video a bit more like this, it's very different, but I can imagine that it would be hard to picture it this way. I like it anyway! Yes, on the video there is totally different story line but I think it`s only a good thing.
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Bjärn
Clansman
Spr?k ?r en tr?d genom tidens flod.
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Post by Bjärn on May 31, 2005 0:45:11 GMT 2
I used Finland becoming its own country in my timeline for significant things that happened during the life of Edgar Allan Poe. Jonne, I also am in the process of writing a story based on Old Tale, sort of..I dreamed it while having the Korpiklaani CD playing. "Grog-swilling" what does that mean?
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Väinämöinen
Wolfcub
Attack forward, you Nordic boy! Fire to the balls!
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Post by Väinämöinen on Jun 1, 2005 6:30:24 GMT 2
I suspected the Kädet siipinä video a bit more like this, it's very different, but I can imagine that it would be hard to picture it this way. I like it anyway! Yes, on the video there is totally different story line but I think it`s only a good thing. I have to agree. The contrast between the time period of the video and that of the story told by the lyrics only highlights the timelessness of honoring the dead.
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Post by Casserole on Feb 18, 2006 13:48:48 GMT 2
Just wondering but "Journey man" and "Hunting song" are these inspired by your own experiences or were they just made up.
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Post by HerraHirwi on Feb 18, 2006 17:08:52 GMT 2
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Post by vargaskinn on Feb 20, 2006 11:39:18 GMT 2
What about Spirit of the Forest lyrics?God of wind...should it be about berserker warriors?And what on Earth did you mean by Men can go even through grey stone...as for You looked into my eyes;were you on drugs?! ))
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Post by HerraHirwi on Feb 20, 2006 18:03:10 GMT 2
God of wind...should it be about berserker warriors? As the berserks were never a phenomenon in Finnish culture, I doubt it.. And what on Earth did you mean by Men can go even through grey stone... It's the Finnish proverb written in Aleksis Kivi's novel "Seitsemän veljestä" (Seven Brothers). In Finnish it goes "Luja tahto vie miehen läpi vaikka harmaan kiven!". It can't be translated by word to word, but it's idea can be translated like: "A strong will makes a man run even through the solid rock!" thus meaning that if you truly wan't to do something, you'll succeed in anything you wish. "Man can run even through the solid rock" would be better translation.
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Post by Olli The Drunk Bear on Feb 22, 2006 14:40:49 GMT 2
although i think ithe subject is interesting, im english so i cannot really relate, but i like to learn summat new every day
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Post by Olli The Drunk Bear on Feb 22, 2006 14:46:00 GMT 2
however mi grandad parents were in the great war n theyv told me all the stories n i respect them and im hopin to join the army, also do the fins av to do a compulsery service in the forces
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Post by vargaskinn on Feb 24, 2006 21:59:06 GMT 2
Thanx,Virva!Yeah,I know about berserker not being finnish,but still,the song sounds like that,at least to me...then,again,I could be wrong and even stupid,but that's the image that first got to me...the ritual of initiation of those shaman-warriors that had to acquire the power of the spirit of a bear or a wolf...but,if it is about shamanistic warriors,it might be something similar to berserker and ulfhednar...something less germanic and more finnish.However,the Germani did take over some of the Saami rituals,didn't they?
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Post by HerraHirwi on Feb 25, 2006 19:15:42 GMT 2
-- then,again,I could be wrong and even stupid,but that's the image that first got to me...the ritual of initiation of those shaman-warriors that had to acquire the power of the spirit of a bear or a wolf...but,if it is about shamanistic warriors,it might be something similar to berserker and ulfhednar...something less germanic and more finnish. There's a big difference between shamans and berserks, shamans being a part of primeval Finnish tradition and berserks being a part of Viking culture. It should be quite clear. There's no reason to mix them up. And a thought about "shaman-warriors" sounds more work of imagination to me. It's good that song can create strong images, but thus it should be careful not to add those visions in anything, what concerns real history and folklore. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_paganismen.wikipedia.org/wiki/BerserksHowever,the Germani did take over some of the Saami rituals,didn't they? No, they didn't.
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Post by swordmaiden on Feb 26, 2006 4:53:01 GMT 2
Berserkers were more prevelant in the Swedish and Norwegian Viking cultures...and the Danes. Anglo-Saxons did use a form of the berserker early on before they settled in the British Iles as far as I know. Actually they were famous for developing a faction/legion of warriors with unusually large battle axes...and I think they were around at the time of the battle of Hastings. The Vikings did push into Finland, the Baltic region, and all the way to Lake Ladoga in Russia. They traded with various Slavic tribes such as the Rus and all the way with the Byzantine Empire. In the Hagia Sophia in Constantinople (modern day Istanbul) there is even a runic inscription saying something like the guy's name and "was here" haha. So far I have not heard of any Germanic peoples ever taking on some of the Saami rituals and such at the time. Unfortunately, I do not know much about the Saami shamans, but I'll get to that research at some point soon ...and now back to the song lyrics, sorry about the offtopic discussion above hehe Which war is the song "Cottages and Saunas" refering to?
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Post by vargaskinn on Feb 26, 2006 17:13:02 GMT 2
I don't think you got my point :)I do NOT think they were mixed or anything,but I have been much into Germanic mythology and I have heard about sort of "Shaman warriors"-they were not true shamans,but things in their rituals were based on native northern shamanism.Besides,if you go into northern shamanism in general,an old professor of mine would say that certain patterns in the shamanistic images of the northern areas,whether it is Scandinavia(Germanic or Ugro-finnish)or Northern american Indians living at the far north of the continent,are very similar.That is what I was trying to point out.It is sometimes difficult to decide what belongs to which culture and what was or wasn't taken over.Now,my professor is an ethnologist,so I guess he should know more than you and I together ;D
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Post by vargaskinn on Feb 26, 2006 17:49:22 GMT 2
:)What I am saying is that according to certain ethnological studies theories(which I didn't invent)there are customs that are not ethnically based,but more connected to a certain area. So called northern shamanism,actually,the way of communicating with nature, is one of those (Just like the sagas phenomenon,concerning the Scandinavians and the Irish the only Europeans that developed it,but we won't go into this now)It is probably more connected to the way of life those people led,and it was definitely similar.Another example;some ethnologists claim that the north is a democracy-based area.All people living in such conditions,despite their ethnicity,have developed more or less democratic way of organizing their society.Please,do not take this as an assault,I'm not bringing your knowledge into question,I respect it,really,I'm just suggesting a theory from a different point of view. Gods,how did we come to this?!It has NOTHING to do with Jonne's lyrics,I bet he didn't think about any of this things we mentioned...he probably just got drunk or something...but, anyway,here WE are,pretending to be smart and showing off with all the information we picked up during our lives,studies,etc...man,we should be banned!
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