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Post by Southern Troll on Nov 18, 2004 13:21:39 GMT 2
That's the point! We have bettr taste! ;D
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Post by Turre on Nov 21, 2004 20:33:15 GMT 2
Now the mighty reply button has came back...
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Post by Hiding on Nov 22, 2004 0:29:31 GMT 2
We had been waiting for so many time and now it returned! I felt that life cracked Now I amn't afraid of my state of mind. Thank you, oh Invisible Hero, who returned "reply" button to all simple Korpiklaani-listeners.
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Post by DaveTheRake on Nov 24, 2004 10:19:00 GMT 2
Another question is: why many (I'd better say - most of) metalboys and metalgirls like long hair, black clothes and so on ? I supposse that it's all a matter of reivindication and rebelliousness. SOciety wants you to be all well dressed, clean, with short hair if you're a man and so on. What people in the 60's started to do was rebelling about all that uniformity, and tried to go back to some old values... and we all must remember that during all ages long hair has been weared by men of all cultures, from Vikings to English Lords passing for old cultures. So long hair was the most easy way of expressing the discomfirmity you felt against society... and thus has remained to the Metal days. First you wear your hair long because your "heroes" do so; then you start to feel so accustumed to your hair that you would feel another person without it... or at least that's what happens to me when I have my hair cut. Slowly it just becomes a sign of your own identity... think on one thing, those who first cut their hair are those who just went into metal because it was in; those who during a couple of years listen to the groups that are "in vogue", then another music becomes more famous and they quickly cut the hair and dresses according the new fashion. Whileon, those who really liked and loved the music and style, remains listening to it, and if they cut their hair, at least they still feel the same passion for the music. Hair is secoundary, the primary is the music... the rest are just a way of seeing things in a more or less collective manner.
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Post by Southern Troll on Nov 24, 2004 11:23:52 GMT 2
The best was here cause everyone live nude! No clothes! No concerns! You live as you came to the earth! Of course that the weather here is good for this! And then came our Brothers Portugueses and obligated them to cover their parts! Why don't they enter in climax? ;D
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Post by Hiding on Nov 24, 2004 22:58:39 GMT 2
SOciety wants you to be all well dressed, clean, with short hair if you're a man and so on I can't agree with you, because it seems to me that wearing short hair for men isn't wanted by society. Many men wear long hair and it is normal (i can say about the situation in my country, but , for example, the most of Italian foorballers wear long hair. Is society against it? It seems to me - no. About clinness. Of course, society doesn't want you to be dirty. But do you want to be dirty? I don't. When I amn't clean for some reason, I want to get rid of this dirtiness, because it makes me physical discomfort.
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Post by DaveTheRake on Nov 25, 2004 9:56:01 GMT 2
Well, maybe I chose the wrong word when I used clean. I didn't mean that I or people wearing long hair like to be dirty, of course; that's a personal choice anyway. What I meant with the word clean is that exquisitiveness that society wants in all of us. I mean, the way people treat you vary miles according how you're dressed. It has happened to me, I remember once I went out with my former girl and I was dressed in jacket and with my hair in a tail... a guy asked me for the hour in the train using the respect treatment. It was a guy with more or less 35 years old, and I was 22 then. The rest of the times I've been asked the hour, dressed as I use to dress daily, I've never been talked under the treatment of respect (I hope you understand what I'm trying to say with respect treatment; as you surely know you can adress to a person in SPanish by calling him "tu" or "usted"; this late one is the one of respect). I don't understand why this guy talked to me like that just because I was dressed in jacket. About what you say about of football players... well, it just confirms the hipocrisy of western society according wearing long or short hair, at least in mediterranean countries. No matter how good person you may be if you're an unknown, you're not allowed to do certain things you could if you were a well known person. What do you think people would think about you if you cut your hair as Ronaldo did in last world championship in case he wouldn't have done it? Surely people would have seen you as a extrange guy or they would try not to be near you; but since ROnaldo wear it, it's ok to have your hair like that; this according short hair; according long hair... do you think that Totti would find a good job in Italy with the hair he has, in case he wouldn't be a recognizable person? I doubt it. The thing is just that the vision people has from you changes according whether you're a known person or not. When you're famous you are allowed to do things that you would be censored if you weren't famous. That was what a Spanish writer called Ramon Maria del Valle Inclan thought in the late XIX century and begining of XX. If you search in google something about him you will see in any picture that he wore a very long beard and more or less long hair... he was asked a lot of times how he was in a way like that and he said that since he was famous he could perfectly be in that way, because people don't judge him superficially; hence, he just limited himself to take advantage of this position that other people wouldn't. By the way, there's a theatre play from him which I strongly recommend to you all, Luces de Bohemia, in English I supposse it would be something like Bohemian Lights; it's one of his peak writes and in it you may understand the point of view he had about external appereance. Hope I haven't bored you all too much... anyway I've just written as usual in me
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Post by Southern Troll on Nov 25, 2004 12:49:25 GMT 2
I agree with you Dave!
If you are famous you can wear what you want! Of course that people will talk many idiot things about you. Specially if you do something like Ronaldo did! Believe in me the people laughted a lot here but no one said that he was wrong or right! If he was not famous maybe he should lost his job or something worst!
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Post by Hiding on Nov 25, 2004 15:03:58 GMT 2
Dave, are you going to be a journalist or politician? I think you have a talant for writing and speaking . Mostly I agree with you, but as I understood, the main reason for wearing long hair was the protest against the rules of society?
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Post by DaveTheRake on Nov 28, 2004 17:08:23 GMT 2
Well, thanks very much, you really make me feel honoured with your words, thanks ;D But no, I'm not going to be a journalist (in fact I hate them because at least in Spain they destroy language) nor a politician, although I almost joined the Spanish Socialist Party when I was eighteen... the municipal counsellor of education knew me ('cos I was at the school council at the secoundary school I attended to) and knew my father, and she asked him to let her invite me to join the party... maybe if my father would had told me I would be a guy with job and a great sum of money at the bank... but no, I'm just a simple student and I only know for sure that I will be unenployed in september 2005 ;D so not much future perspectives In fact I'm not too much good at talking, I find it very difficult to explain myself clear most of the times, even when I write... and that's why I always write sooooo much, 'cos I'm unable to resume in a few words what I want to say. Going back to the hair matter, I don't mean that people just wear long hair for rebelliousness; in my case, and supposse many other people's case, it's just because I find myself better with long hair (I've got an ugly face that must be hidden); maybe when I was 15 it was a way of going against conventions, but it's been for years that I simply have it as long as I can simply because I like more myself like that. And supposse the rest of the people the same. With all the previous days dissertations I just wanted to explain that some people find in it's long hair an ideology, and thats ok for me, but I think that as long as you grow up you just have it long because you like it, not for any special significance. So it's better not to look after a "why" in metal people wearing long hair, there surely are more "becauses" than people
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Post by MaliceGarden on Nov 28, 2004 17:22:59 GMT 2
damn! you write so much, i find hard to read it all! generally i only give a quick look.
i understand your "problem". you jsut have to watch the amount of detail you write. i almost make it sound easy. :]
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Post by DaveTheRake on Nov 28, 2004 17:36:46 GMT 2
I'm very talkative today, huh?
Sorry, is just that I have forgotten one thing I needed to ask the Finnish-speakers. On friday I was at Finnish class and the teacher told that the word "pahu" means damned. As far as I was concerned, the meanning of Perkele was also damned, so I asked the teacher (a Finnish woman around 60 years old) that I thought that damned was Perkele... well, her face turned white and the expression of her face absolutely changed. She said that Perkele was a very strong word which meant damned. Ok, my question is, what the fuck does this word really mean to make it such an explosive one to the ars of a woman of 60? What are its significances?
By the way, I'm very happy because on friday the third I'm invited to a reception at home of the Finnish embassador in Spain to cellebrate itsenäisyyspäivää. It's great, I hope I'll be introduced to Finnish people. I could ask the Embasador about the meanings of Perkele ;D
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Post by MaliceGarden on Nov 28, 2004 17:49:19 GMT 2
you're talkative, not only today. its a sindrome. :]
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Post by DaveTheRake on Nov 28, 2004 18:01:53 GMT 2
A disease I'm like a guy from a song of a Spanish group, Mojinos Escozios, which had the world record of talking without stoping... three months ;D
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Post by Hittavainen on Nov 28, 2004 19:41:26 GMT 2
Hee hee! ;D Word "pahus" is derived from the word "paha" (bad), and it's in thoroughly different class than "perkele" as a curse word. At present Perkele means lord Satan himself, but it's origins may be in a name for the god of thunder, whose name is a taboo which should left unsaid (unless you REALLY want something powerful to happen). Maybe that's why its more powerful word than for example "saatana" (Satan). hiisi.dyndns.org/hittavainen/misc/perkele.wav ;D
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