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Post by Nordis on Sept 19, 2012 14:02:02 GMT 2
Me myself hardy eating any meat because I don't like meat(taste) am one to say to people to eat what they please I used to be quite a meat lover, but some time after leaving it from my diet I noticed that it wasn't the meat that was good. It was all the seasoning. I mean, would anyone eat any meat without at least salt and pepper? The only good things I can think of meat as an ingradient is the texture and the fact that it's really easy to prepare in several ways. In the end the whole don't eat meat/eat meat discussion falls on how one's point of view on the matter is. But my personal experiences are that self proclaimed non-meat eaters who do it just because they pity the animals(being killed) and a lot of vegans have more extreme views(verge of almost naive thinking) on using natural elements for consumption and usage then average Joe the meat eater I wouldn't want to sound mean, but that's like saying pollution was a point of view. "Oh, I just dump this waste oil into ditch because I like it that way". It is simply bad for the nature and it's not an opinion but a fact. Here's a short article about UN's 2006 report on the issue -> www.fao.org/ag/magazine/0612sp1.htm . The whole report is downloadable at the bottom of the page if anyone feels like reading. I do have a belief that meat eating and respect for animal(rights) can go hand in hand; You just have to make a little effort in searching and buying animal friendly products like free-range meat, those animals have a good life before they end up in the store. A rather recent declaration, signed by several scientits, states that mammals and birds are most likely as conscious as humans -> io9.com/5937356/prominent-scientists-sign-declaration-that-animals-have-conscious-awareness-just-like-us . So the whole "meat is murder" thing might not be as far-fetched as it sounds But I think I've made my stance quite clear already. Could anyone tell any scientific facts why eating meat would be a good thing? Edit: Changed the latter link, you can now download the declaration from there.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2012 18:37:39 GMT 2
But I think I've made my stance quite clear already. Could anyone tell any scientific facts why eating meat would be a good thing? Just read this, had a long and tiring day , so will check later the link , totally got my attention. I wish to add the thing which I know about regarding your new question: the role of proteins in the functioning of the human body. www.brighthub.com/science/medical/articles/6050.aspx Also, the other thing I know from school, is that animal protein have a complete set of aminoacids which help in this functioning , a set which vegetable protein do not. Although, the latter have more vitamin C and minerals and also less cholesterol..but the chain has some missing links. I am aware, as humans we act like the masters of everything on land, and in general have the colonialist mental, but...it's hard to get rid of that, isn't it... That's all for today, too tired to say more.
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Post by Nordis on Sept 20, 2012 9:30:08 GMT 2
But I think I've made my stance quite clear already. Could anyone tell any scientific facts why eating meat would be a good thing? Just read this, had a long and tiring day , so will check later the link , totally got my attention. I wish to add the thing which I know about regarding your new question: the role of proteins in the functioning of the human body. www.brighthub.com/science/medical/articles/6050.aspx Also, the other thing I know from school, is that animal protein have a complete set of aminoacids which help in this functioning , a set which vegetable protein do not. Although, the latter have more vitamin C and minerals and also less cholesterol..but the chain has some missing links. I am aware, as humans we act like the masters of everything on land, and in general have the colonialist mental, but...it's hard to get rid of that, isn't it... That's all for today, too tired to say more. Meat is indeed a good source of protein, but it's still awfully wasteful compared to plant-based sources. A kilo of beef has eaten multiple times more protein than humans get from the final product. Eggs are ecologically way more better option, even though animal rights wise they are pretty much the same. I did a quick googling about the amino acids in vegetables, and at least American Heart Association begs to differ -> circ.ahajournals.org/content/105/25/e197.full . Humans do a lot of bad decisions indeed. We smoke, drink too much alcohol, eat too much meat (and often food in general), speed while driving and fight each other while being 100% aware that it's just plain harmful and destructive behaviour. But even still, we do so because we decide to do so, not because we're forced to or because it's some law of the universe. And everybody makes those decisions, that's why I'm not pointing fingers to anyone. Or more likely, I'm pointing fingers to everyone including myself, and everyone should be doing the same "They" do not destroy the environment, there is no "them" to oppose or to protest against. We're all in the same big mob. And there is no "us" doing something, there is only 7 billion individuals making their very own decisions in their very own heads each day
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2012 14:49:00 GMT 2
Humans do a lot of bad decisions indeed. We smoke, drink too much alcohol, eat too much meat (and often food in general), speed while driving and fight each other while being 100% aware that it's just plain harmful and destructive behaviour. But even still, we do so because we decide to do so, not because we're forced to or because it's some law of the universe. And everybody makes those decisions, that's why I'm not pointing fingers to anyone. Or more likely, I'm pointing fingers to everyone including myself, and everyone should be doing the same "They" do not destroy the environment, there is no "them" to oppose or to protest against. We're all in the same big mob. And there is no "us" doing something, there is only 7 billion individuals making their very own decisions in their very own heads each day I couldn't agree more! Will read later the article from the other paragraph. Off topic (or not) have had less meat last few days, hehe...
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Post by Humppaporo on Sept 23, 2012 21:47:37 GMT 2
@nordis: wisest words i've read in a long time!
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