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Post by jarmo on May 30, 2006 22:50:14 GMT 2
Tell the news of your country or region here!
In Holland it is these days about the Polish soldiers who didn't receive any honour for over 60 years from the English and Dutch gouvernments for their actions in a battle in Holland during WWII. These days they receive the honor they preserve, but off course it is far too late...
(This is another easy topic to keep the forum busy ;D)
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Post by Hiding on May 31, 2006 2:00:21 GMT 2
yesterday was the final of competition "Miss Chechenia" and we were shown the winner. this girl is very pretty though i don't at all like east style of girls. but actually it's more political news, because our government is using all its force to show that peace has come to Chechenia
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Post by Runenmeisterin on May 31, 2006 21:36:33 GMT 2
I was on a protest march today along with app. 6,000 people. German University used to be tuition free but the CDU (the conservative party) and big business want to change this. Some German states have already changed their policy and charge students for their university education. It is in my state's (Hessen) constitition that tuition fees are not legal but the conservative administartion is changing the constitution for this.
I know some countries have tuition fees but they have a completely different system. It was a big achievement that every able mind could go to university here independent of wealth and origin. University should not be a place for a financial elite but for people who are good at certain things. And I doubt that the planned tuition fees will help improve schools and their equipment. I am pretty sure the administration will use the money to fill up holes in their budget. This stinks. And politicians just know that students don't have a strong lobby like big business or the Catholic church for instance.
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Post by Frekia on May 31, 2006 22:07:45 GMT 2
I was there too. ;D We were 6000 people? Yay! \m/
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Post by Hiding on May 31, 2006 22:47:52 GMT 2
it's good that the poorest can go to this university. it's not the same in Russia. we have many universities with free places, but in fact it isn't so. most of the students enter unis because of money or contacts of their parents. so the situation is: if you have contacts you'll enter uni and take the free place, if you have money you will pay before entering for it to be free, or you'll be paying during studying. only the most intellectual students enter without paying, but their number is very small
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Post by Runenmeisterin on May 31, 2006 23:56:07 GMT 2
That is interesting. How was the situation in the former USSR? Was it easier for socialist elites to enter university?
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Post by Hiding on Jun 1, 2006 12:48:01 GMT 2
well, it was almost the same. we only should take money out of this system. so what is remained? contacts and social status. anyway, it was a little bit easier to enter uni without contacts and being a usual Soviet man, but just a little bit. and i prefer if it stays as it is now, as if Soviet regime returns
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Post by Runenmeisterin on Jun 1, 2006 12:53:13 GMT 2
Yeah, I see. I just feel as if every political system has its elites who have advantages. Some systems are a bit more balanced than others. I was really proud on the German higher education system until recently. I am afraid it will turn into a system, where only people with money or "vitamin b" (that's how we call knowing the right people) can enter. It used to be a real achievement for our society and I hate to see how they tear it down.
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Post by Socke on Jun 1, 2006 14:45:55 GMT 2
where only people with money or "vitamin b" (that's how we call knowing the right people) Do we? Never heard of this paraphrase ;D But you're right, the state won't use the money for any improvements concerning education or these instituitions (there once was an article in the newspaper about the university in Cologne which was pretty funny. They were talking about "rooms where you wouldn't even park your car" ;D), it's just an excuse to get more money for filling up the numerous holes in their budget. It's already now not easy for lots of students to get enough money for the necessary expenses (books bla) but if you demand 500 euros every term to that it's simply not possible to study for many of them. And then there's always the explanation "yes, it's expensive, but when you have finished your studies your chances to get a job are much bigger and you will earn all that money back". The point is that it's by no means sure that you will get a job with all that education nowadays, at least not here in Germany. That means you're possibly already in over your head with debt before you start to work and then you're unemployed. Great ideas they have here
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Post by jarmo on Jun 1, 2006 21:51:03 GMT 2
Come over here to study in Holland... Here you get an amount of money from the state. If you finish your study within 10 years, you don't have to pay back. And you can also borrow an additional amount of money at very low interest, to pay back when you are finished the study.
(but back to news now ;D)
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Post by Hiding on Jun 2, 2006 2:12:35 GMT 2
I was really proud on the German higher education system until recently. Soviet educational system was that thing that we were proud of. but now it's much worse. many unis and institues that only give you a document that you graduated but not knowledge. in fact, my uni which is counted the best in Russia, is also not the one that should be an example for other unis
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Post by jarmo on Jun 2, 2006 11:36:01 GMT 2
Holland festival starts today in Amsterdam. (I think after the Da Vinci Code everybody looks for special symbols and complets and so on) But there is an artist who found a murdercomplet in the Nightwatch by Rembrandt... I'm not going to this festival, but I am curious about the details of it ;D
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Post by Runenmeisterin on Jun 2, 2006 15:22:45 GMT 2
Come over here to study in Holland... Here you get an amount of money from the state. If you finish your study within 10 years, you don't have to pay back. And you can also borrow an additional amount of money at very low interest, to pay back when you are finished the study. We have that as well. You get money from state if you fulfill certain criteria. The problem is exactly the borrowing of money and gettig into debt. Imagine, you graduate and are in debt with app. 20,000 Euros. How do you wanna pay that back if you don't get a job or start working with lower payment? A friend of mine is studying dentistry and she has to pay a lot of money for material and books already. Sometimes, it is app. 1,000 Euros per semester. Then, you have to make a living. How is that supposed to work out.
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Post by jarmo on Jun 2, 2006 20:34:59 GMT 2
there are some rules about that here... you have like 20 years (I thought) to pay back. And I calculated that with the amount I borrow, I have to pay like 15 euro's an month to pay back the debt in 20 years. Which isn't hard at all... even when you only have a weekend job or something, you'll manage to pay back. And there is a chance that the debts are turned into a bonus, so that you don't have to pay back... I don't know the rules exactly, that's for after 6 years from now ;D
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Post by Helran on Jun 5, 2006 14:34:36 GMT 2
Today normaly it's public holiday, because it's Pentecost Monday (Do you understand?). BUT the government of Raffarin removed it. It's replaced by the day of solidarity, worked but not remunerated day, to finance old age and the handicap. BUT the PROBLEM is that French Civil Service (is the set of civil servants working for the French government, exemple : Teatcher, factor, driver of bus, administrative staff) DON'T WORK!!!!!! This solidarity's day it's just for person who work on private company!
Already that they (civil servent) are paid has anything to make, and that they have an employ for all of life… Grrrrrrr...
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