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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2009 21:09:42 GMT 2
Indeed, what we've done here with the children opened their minds.. I understand fully your point of view,but here we had to choose between a nationalist blabbermouth who doesn't speak even a good romanian, the president's daughter who only knows one thing in the world,modelling&expensive cars...and another bunch of compromised people. That's why l didn't voted. They'll put us in a bad light, whomever is.. We have 33 places in the parliament..l kan only hope,but not from them. PS: btw to the blasphemia law! In 1999 or 2000 if l'm not wrong, here they came up with a law project that would've gave the right to even the smallest local authority the right to ban any ,action with criminal potential " concerning artistic manifest,whether concerts, metal gatherings, publishing of metal literature (that year appeared a BM lexicon here),but we stood up and they didn't do nothing else but fools out of themselves. So that you know l know what you mean
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Post by wolferin on Jun 10, 2009 18:51:44 GMT 2
I didn't vote. I don't care who of these crooks will take 7412 eur a month! Do you know that 750 eur is a good salary for Bulgaria and a dream of over a 3/4 of the people? And some foodstuffs (not luxury) are more expensive in Sofia than in London? Than who to vote for, they are all connected and one and the same. PS: The beer is cheep.
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Post by Bartbär on Jun 10, 2009 20:05:03 GMT 2
Different face, same exact actions. Thus is the rule of every election. There is probably only a few "good" politicians in this entire world, and those are always going to be the people that never get voted in.
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Post by Crystiannia on Jun 11, 2009 6:45:46 GMT 2
I believe most people get into politics because they truly want to make a difference and then things just go downhill from there. They become disillusioned and stop caring or, like most, get that first taste of power and can't let it go.
I think the problem here in the States is that you are always going to have either a Democrat or Republican in office simply because too many people are afraid to go out on a limb and side with one of the other parties, such as Independent. Some of the most honest candidates are along those lines but they are given little time to make their case and far too many people just vote for whoever they are told.
I live in New Jersey, where the politics are wicked enough to make even Machiavelli wince, and we will be voting for Governor soon. Our choices are the Democrat that is currently destroying our spirit or the snippy Republican attorney running against him. Not very good choices either one, but we are left with no other options.
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Post by wolferin on Jun 11, 2009 8:50:51 GMT 2
There's popular grafity writing - "If the elections change something, they will banish them."
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Post by ShamanRunedancer on Jul 9, 2009 16:04:22 GMT 2
Continuance from the "Any other quesions about Korpiklaani"-topic: [...] and it would have been more fitting for the atmosphere of both this forum, with it's generally cool and calm atmosphere, and this thread to have sent a personal message to him or posting it on politics thread rather than questioning it here. Yes,you are right.I realized it when I just did my posting,I wanted to make an edit and say "sorry" for offtopic but because of some technical problems I couldn`t do it. It seems this matter has gotten way out of hand.[...] Discuss problems and issues, there is no need to attack unless your life is in danger. And over the internet, I don't think that's a problem. Hopefully this can be settled in a more calm fashion and this thread can be brought back to it's original purposes. For this explosion reminds me exactly why I staid away from forums in the first place. I'd hate for that to happen here, since all is usually more calm and generally more peaceful. Sorry,but I don`t really see the problem cause I don`t find this is a serious arguement or a personal attack or whatever-at least not for my part.I must admit that I even was a bit surprised and maybe also a bit startled when I saw that Croco seems to be really pissed off cause this was not my intention.I just wanted to discuss this subject (or maybe just say my opinion and see if a discussion comes up or not) and I didn`t want to attack-as you said,Anwend.If Croco felt personally attacked by me he shall let me know so we can clarify it.Maybe this sentence "Do you think things like the "paganfront" are existing just for fun?Hello,wake up!" could be understand as too harsh,then sorry for that...But apart from this I don`t see anything that could be seen as an personal offend or something like this.Seems that my posting was a bit misunderstood.... I know that there are different opinions about discussions.Some people want to avoid it at any price and some have no problem with it.I`m the last one,I like to say my opinion and I`m also not shy at controversial subjects.If a discussion comes up (I don`t provoke it) I don`t have a problem cause for me it`s interesting and refreshing to read about other opinions.If so many different people come together it`s impossible that your points of view are all equal.And if strong different opinions are coming up it`s normal that it`s not harmonic 100 % or that you are a bit annoyed of each other.Nothing different happened between me and Croco-that`s how I see it.No deeper personal problem between us or whatever-for my part,don`t know about Croco`s... To avoid any missunderstandings:When I say that I like discussions I mean and good and fair one.I don`t want to provoke any arguement and I don`t want to offend someone personally.And if I see that there are two different point of views that don`t come toghether-okay,then I can leave a subject.I don`t discuss it endlessly then. Anwend,I can assure you that this good and calm atmoshere here is also for me important and it`s the reason why I`m still here after all this years while I left other forums.People who already know me for a longer time here should know that I always care for an good atmosphere-also during a discussion.Okay,I`m also just a human and of course it can happen that I offend someone unindentedly but-as I said-that I`m willing to clarify it. Please, look at yourself now! Sometimes I get very pissed of those things... Sometimes the "warriors against nazism-racism-whatever else" are much more intolerant and hateful than any right-wing guy. I don`t know if more than any right-winged guy but in generally I agree with you.Maybe you think I`m one of those "warriors" but I can assure you I`m not. You can read my opinion about such people in this topic if you want to : jonne.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=intellectual&action=display&thread=372For many different reasons I have my propblems with this "Antifa-and-similar-warriors".Fanatism and extremism are always bad things-doesn`t matter if left or right,christian or muslim or whatever. In this point I agree with you,in other not,I will keep my opinion and you yours.That`s okay and for me this subject is ended cause it doesn`t lead to anything.Send me a pm if you have the feeling you have to clarify something with me personal.
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Post by Mighty Croc on Jul 9, 2009 17:47:49 GMT 2
OK, if you decided to end that here in public, I'll follow.
No, I have no questions now. I was sure that your posts are personal. Attack or not, it was said in a pretty harsh style, so I should reply so. We the Russians always watch our words. Yes, I try to avoid such discussions, because I had a bitter experience on other forums. You know that today any conservative views are frowned upon, so when I started to quarrel with idiots calling me a "bad and ugly evil Nazi", then a Banhammer fell on my head. It happened so often that I now have a paranoia on those topics... Also is in real life. I was very pissed off because i didn't want to be kicked out from here for that - it's a very calm and friendly forum, and I made some great friends here (Shaman, you're not an exclusion - that's why it striked me a little harder than it should). But I couldn't keep my mouth shut. Excuse me for all that.
At last, now everyone here knows my political views.
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Post by Bartbär on Jul 9, 2009 18:53:14 GMT 2
Thanks for elaborating ShamanRunedancer. I'm glad it wasn't an attack, it's just with how it was worded I felt how it could come off as one, although I was figuring it was not. There is nothing wrong with talking about controversial subjects, I am all for that. But when those discussions turn into arguments and back and forth yelling it is no longer discussion and just petty fighting. Besides, when things like that come up it is hard for people to hold back an attack because when it comes to controversial subjects we are even more passionate about them, because they are usually thoughts and ideas we have to keep to ourselves rather than discuss them openly. This is bad for everyone, and it does indeed cause many problems in our day-to-day lives. I feel exactly as croc does. I've always had more so-called conservative beliefs, and I've sort of turned into a turtle in his shell because of it. I can't tell you how many times I've been called a "racist nazi" or one or the other, simply because of my beliefs. Ironically though my beliefs are positive, they are not well accepted because they aren't very liberal, but they are never negative or harmful to anything or anyone. When I say this next thing, I'm not referring to you ShamanRunedancer, just to be clear, I simply refer to the past people I have dealt with in my life. But when you grow up on the more popular side and don't witness the same things as someone else, or don't come to believe the same things they do, it is easy to point the finger at them and call them taboo names. The problem is it is an attack that can cripple someones entire argument. I've had very elaborate and thorough arguments as to why I felt this way or that, but as soon as someone called me "racist" no longer was I listened to. They do the same thing to politicians and it is just wrong. In america I don't think we are ever going to see a Republican again, simply because they are always referred to as "rich racist white men", although that is not the truth. Ironically though republicans are more like democrats here, but that is another subject. I think we fail to realize that we are still human, and we ALWAYS have a reason as to why we are the way we are. Even the most hard criminals have experiences that made them that way, unless of course they were just born with that personality (MRI scans of serial killers show quite extreme differences from a "normal" MRI scan), in which case it is a problem. It can be hard to think about that though, I know every time I deal with a hard liberal that hates me for no reason other than my beliefs, I find it hard to be able to be around them or accept them for who they are. Too many times have I, and I'm sure Croc as well, have been banned from things or cast aside from the general population for political views or beliefs. And with no reason that they were extreme or the like, but simply because they are not well liked. In all honesty, the society I have grown up in feels a lot more like Fascism than it ever has Democracy. I'm glad this can be discussed calmly again. Thank you all for that. My heart sank quite a bit with how it was going, and I'm very glad I did not have to toss in my towel for this forum too. I love it too much and the people on it are always great.
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Post by Bartbär on Jul 9, 2009 18:56:24 GMT 2
Oh, sorry, I'm not trying to continue what was said to be ended. This was just more of an open letter to everyone about subjects I feel passionate about and subjects I've suffered a lot of pain from throughout my life. If anyone would like to discuss it further with me, feel free to PM anytime. Perhaps even share your own experiences with the rest of us if you feel the need to.
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Post by ShamanRunedancer on Jul 9, 2009 20:07:17 GMT 2
Oh, sorry, I'm not trying to continue what was said to be ended. This was just more of an open letter to everyone about subjects I feel passionate about and subjects I've suffered a lot of pain from throughout my life. If anyone would like to discuss it further with me, feel free to PM anytime. Perhaps even share your own experiences with the rest of us if you feel the need to. OK, if you decided to end that here in public, I'll follow No time for a longer reply at the moment,I just wanted to say that I of course don`t want to "forbid" any further talking about this subject here.I just wrote this to avoid a missunderstanding,I didn`t want you to think that I don`t want to stop it even if YOU want to.If anyone of you wants to say something more about it it`s okay of course.
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Post by Mighty Croc on Jul 9, 2009 21:00:56 GMT 2
I understood you correct, don't worry so much. I ONLY was saying why I posted my reply here instead of selling it straight to you...
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Post by ShamanRunedancer on Jul 10, 2009 10:10:20 GMT 2
Back with some more time.... Your postings were interesting to read for me so let me say some things about it (nothing negative,no worries ) First of I like to say this: . I was sure that your posts are personal. Attack or not, it was said in a pretty harsh style, so I should reply so. We the Russians always watch our words. [...]I was very pissed off because i didn't want to be kicked out from here for that - it's a very calm and friendly forum, and I made some great friends here (Shaman, you're not an exclusion - that's why it striked me a little harder than it should). It was not meant in a very harsh style.I believe that you truly thought it was but it was not my intention.It was meant with some emphasis and-yes I must admit-lack of understanding for your opinion but as I wrote above this is hard to avoid in every situation when strong opinions come together.If you want so it is kind of personal cause I talked about your personal opinion but that doesn`t mean that I dislike or whatever YOU as a whole person and character. I watch my words,too even if I`m no Russian No,seriously it`s really important for me to keep basically a good tone,also in a bit tense situation.I don`t want to hurt anyone here and if I did so I apologize for it.And I know how shitty it feels to get disappointed by a friend,I myself experienced it here on the forum so I can understand what you wrote about this "it striked you harder...". Excuse me that I come up with this again but it was really important for me to make it clear again.I hope everything is okay now... I feel really sorry for the fact that you both made so bad experiences because of your political view.It`s completely bullshit to call you "facists" or something like this.I dispise it if peole do this-it is just as bad as to say every Muslim is a terrorist or something like that but that is something many of this so-called fighter against facism don`t understand.(I think I don`t have to mention that I never said or thought you both could be facists,racicst or whatever.I never did!!)Beeing against facism and racism means to reflect,to distinguish,to talk, to listen to different point of views and then form an opinion.If they label people randomly as nazis they are not better than the people they want to fight against. And to ban people from a forum is bullshit as well.What a fuckin` censorship!Everyone is free to say his opinion and to silence someone just because some persons find him/her inconvinient is a coward wannabe-solution.But I can calm you:This won`t happen to you here in this forum But I can understand very well that you are sensitive if such subjects are coming up and that there is some kind of fear that such things could happen again.I hope you will have a great time here-as compensation for all that shit. But let me-also as a person who is a few years older- give you one well-meant advice:Try to learn that not everyone who criticizes you means it a bad or unfair way.As I said I totally understand that you are formed by your negative experiences (I`m also formed by mine) but if you always think the worst it`s negative for both sides-the people who doesn`t want anything bad for you but just a normal talk/discussion or a fair criticsm and it`s also negative for yourself cause you are not really free to come in contact a person without bias.And you give all these negative things the chance to come up in you over and over again.And the fuckin` people who caused it some kind of might over you.Don`t get me wrong I know that you cannot wipe aways negative feelings so easily (would be nice) but you can learn to handle it.As I said it`s just an advice from good old Shaman Now I talked enough ;)I`m also happy that it didn`t turn out into a real bad arguement.I had it already on the forum and although everything is fine again with most of the people that were involved I didn`t want it to be repeated Have a good time here furthermore!
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Post by Mighty Croc on Jul 10, 2009 19:26:09 GMT 2
I see it will be a long epos, but now at last we all understood our positions... Thank you for your advice, The Wise Old One ;D So let's discuss everything patiently now.
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Post by ShamanRunedancer on Jul 10, 2009 19:30:59 GMT 2
Yes,these are good words Nice that everything is okay now.About the advice:My pleasure! *Cheers and Hugs* J.
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Post by ShamanRunedancer on Jul 10, 2009 19:56:50 GMT 2
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