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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2010 11:37:40 GMT 2
This looks like something Orwell called ''profoundly disturbed age''. Also like an excerpt from all/any dystopian book(s) written by now.
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Post by erlking on May 7, 2011 0:13:19 GMT 2
My views ----------- Kind of odd and I can't fully agree with any party I can think of. Some of my views are even contradictory.
I'm pro-freedom. Do with your life as you wish as long as you obey the laws of the land. You should be free to believe whatever you like. I believe in the sovereignty of a country to run itself as it wishes. I'm against the EU because its too controlling of its members. I think the UN is a joke and they don't do enough to fix world problems. I am against this mass Islamic and African immigration into Europe because frankly I believe Islam is not compatible with our ways.
I'm a Swiss and South African citizen. The only time I vote is if there is a referendum in Switzerland about an issue I care about.
Politics in Switzerland --------------------------- Well its the SVP which is the top party and its populist-right leaning and they usually combat the SP which are left-leaning but things are pretty stable here.
Politics in South Africa --------------------------- A bit of a farce and hard for a non-South African to understand it. Basically... the ANC is the main party and controls most of the provinces. The DA is the only real opposition party and control the Western Cape (where I live). Our President is mad. He has like 4 wives and 18 children and stated having a shower reduces the chances of getting HIV.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2011 14:19:55 GMT 2
Remembered this thread yesterday when I became aware I've lost my political views and it's good for me to dwell in blindness, having as compass only common sense and some sense of justice. But I'll go on voting, of course, I'm an honorable citizen, and will blindly vote as everyone else. Amen!
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Post by Nordis on Oct 4, 2011 12:23:56 GMT 2
I'm pro-freedom. Do with your life as you wish as long as you obey the laws of the land. Well here's the first thing that doesn't add. Many laws are limiting the freedoms of others just to accommodate someone else's views and beliefs. You can do a hell lot more with your life in Finland or Swizerland than you can do in North Korea or Turkmenistan, even when obeying all the laws. I know that's a pretty extreme example, but I'm just trying to point out how laws aren't often right or justified. I believe in the sovereignty of a country to run itself as it wishes. Countries don't run themselves, they are run by the government chosen by the people. Or in some cases, they are run by a militant nutcase opressing the people. The problem is that a country isn't just a piece of land inside agreed borders. It's also millions to hundreds of millions of individual people that have only one thing in common: they happened to be born on a certain area on this globe. I'd hate to live in China only because I couldn't choose where to be born, I'd get 20 years of prison or a death penalty for writing this. Again, I couldn't do what I want because someone else decided to run the country (and the laws) to accommodate his taste You should be free to believe whatever you like. ... - I am against this mass Islamic and African immigration into Europe because frankly I believe Islam is not compatible with our ways. So everyone is free to believe what they want a long as they don't do it in your neighbourhood? Or are you suggesting, like our right wing christian fanatic minister of the interior, that immigrants and refugees are welcome as long as they are christians because "they fit in better"? The only time I vote is if there is a referendum in Switzerland about an issue I care about. You still have things a lot better there than we do in here. The only things we get to vote about are the president, congressmen and local politicians. Then it's up to them, or like with the previous government, up to an american consulting agency owned by giant banks, to decide your new laws, regulations and other forced values. Our President is mad. He has like 4 wives and 18 children Again, why shouldn't he have them if they are all happy? It's their freedom to do so. The shower comment was pretty nutty though. I could write a 40-page rant about the "us" and "them" issue, but I guess I'll save it for better time. All in all, I'm not buying the idea of putting people to groups because of their nativity, race, (forced)religion or any other aspect you can't choose yourself. And I'm really not comfortable about categorising people by their chooses either. I know my views are pretty utopian, but theorising about how the world could be a better place for everyone is always fun. I say do whatever you want as long as it doesn't harm or endanger anyone else. Period.
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Post by Crystiannia on Oct 28, 2011 5:33:07 GMT 2
I'm not really liking politics much anymore. Not that I loved them in the first place. It seems in the United States, if you are not one of the Democrats or Republicans parties, your opinion doesn't count. I'm finding this out more and more when I try to talk with people about who's running for President and such. Whatever happened to picking the right person just because of who they are and what they stand for? Becoming almost non-existent these days.
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Post by kuusuru on Oct 28, 2011 6:46:15 GMT 2
It seems in the United States, if you are not one of the Democrats or Republicans parties, your opinion doesn't count. "That's the real obscenity... trying to believe a motherfucking word Democrats and Republicans say." - Senator Jay Billington Bulworth (D, CA)
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Post by maris on Oct 28, 2011 15:08:38 GMT 2
Whatever happened to picking the right person just because of who they are and what they stand for? Becoming almost non-existent these days. And when there is a president no matter Democrat or Republican the opposite party are (almost) always being obstructive when it comes to plans and laws that are helping the healthcare, economy etc. just because it didn't came from them. Our politicians are now in the second or third week of heated discussion whether they should send an 18 year old boy back to Angola who's been here for almost 10 years, he doesn't speak the language any more, a negative travelling advice given out by the Minister of Foreign Affairs.
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Post by Bartbär on Oct 29, 2011 17:08:46 GMT 2
I'm not really liking politics much anymore. Not that I loved them in the first place. It seems in the United States, if you are not one of the Democrats or Republicans parties, your opinion doesn't count. I'm finding this out more and more when I try to talk with people about who's running for President and such. Whatever happened to picking the right person just because of who they are and what they stand for? Becoming almost non-existent these days. Ahhh, how this concept frustrates the crap out of me as well! What bothers me and pisses me off is how these two "political parties" have such a HUGE impact on the way people think, and how they can completely dismiss an entire candidate, even in their OWN PARTY, if they do not agree with what they are saying. And how people LISTEN to the bullcrap these parties tell them and continue to just vote within these party lines and ONLY the 2 crappy candidates that are given on the ballot. It is really frustrating for me, as someone who has mostly libertarian views on politics. For those who are not familiar, as I'm sure not a lot are, Ron Paul is literally the only politician I've ever cared about. He is a libertarian based republican who is seeking the nomination of his own republican party. But guess what? He is anti-war, anti-government, anti-taxation, etc etc. and because he does not support Big Brother he is completely dismissed and silenced within his own party. He used to be leading in the polls when the debates and straw-polls first happened. But the media made no big deal about it pretending that "polls mean nothing". Then, worried of his impact on formulating a less-government=more-freedom mind-set they began to give him LESS time at the debates. MUCH MUCH less time, despite his huge wins previously. Then when their puppet candidates started winning the debates and gaining ground in straw-polls they covered it the entire day saying how "much these poll results mean". Quite the opposite tone they had with Ron Paul, and all because they disagreed with him. Like Ron Paul or not, this sort of game is the death of democracy. In democracy you are supposed to be able to hear all sides of a discussion, become enlightened, take on different viewpoints, and then select which view-point makes the most sense and set your voting record upon that. Instead we have a weak-minded public who can't apparently think for themselves enough to vote for WHO IS THE RIGHT PERSON FOR THE JOB rather than voting for "the lesser of two evils". That reminds me, is that a saying that you all have in other countries? Here virtually EVERY election, you will hear tons of people talking about how they aren't happy with either candidate so they are just going to have to vote for "the lesser of two evils." This concept astounds me. We are allowed to vote for WHOMEVER we wish in this country, and said person can win the election and become president so long as they meet the natural-born and age requirements established for presidency. If we wanted an actor to become president (please never happen, oh wait a minute, most presidents are very good actors! ) we could theoretically make it happen. But instead people just vote for who is on the ballot because to them, they are the only people that have a chance and so JUST because they are the only people that have a chance they are the only people worth voting for. I say vote on principles. NEVER change your vote just because the ballot fails to include your preferred candidate. Only once we start showing these puppet parties how foolish they are and how much we are tired of their B.S. will we be able to establish a more principle based society. Ironically the same people that vote for these two lousy candidates are the same people that deserve a swift kick in the face after their candidate becomes president or continues his presidency for the second and final term. They complain about how their candidate "betrayed" them by not "representing" them correctly and by failing their promises. But to me this is ridiculous. If you voted for someone who has obviously ALWAYS made votes against his values, and who has always played the political games of log-rolling and reciprocity then you do not have a right to feel betrayed by their empty promises. I may not be into politics as much as some people, but I believe EVERYONE should be in politics enough to understand what is going on, how government runs itself, and what we can do to change that machine to something much more efficient. Or in the very least people should study their candidates enough to know who exactly they are voting for. Sorry for hijacking your original post Crystiannia, but I'm in rant mode the past few days and what you brought up reminded me of one of the big things that has been bothering me lately.
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Post by Beard_Whisperer on Nov 1, 2012 22:43:49 GMT 2
I am surprised, but glad, to see that nothing has been posted in this thread lately. In America we have our presidential/local government elections coming up on November 6th, although with me being a citizen of Iowa I technically have the opportunity to vote early. Regardless, politics here seriously make me question the future of this country, and thus due to the unfortunate global influence of America, of the world as a whole. I dislike America being such a big force throughout the world, especially when American citizens don't seem to care too much about what their political leaders are doing once they are elected. As long as person A or B is from political party A or B, they can get away with just about anything. I seriously get disheartened with what my country does in other countries. And I get even more sad to see that my fellow American citizens aren't upset about it. Right now we have two candidates who are both essentially very similar, but one blatantly flaunts his ignorance while the other hides his behind a facade of civility. We have other options, but they are third party and due to the needlessly partisan nature of this country, said candidates will probably never win. We also have another, even better option perhaps, which is just to not vote period and watch the confused system become even more confused and hopefully falter enough to require being rebuilt from the ground up. Unfortunately I doubt that will ever happen. I am pretty non-political. And what I mean by that is I do not play the political game. I do not draw a party line in front of me and base all of my decisions along that line. I do not allow myself to be blinded by any politician that I may in-fact like. Instead if they hold a position in office I scrutinize them even more, because they are someone I have high standards for, so I expect more out of them. My political opinions are fairly mild, in that I am not 100% sure about political ideologies. I think they are all quite flawed. I wish I lived in a society that was built off of a critical thinking-based education in which citizens were informed enough to realize that they did not need government enforcing rights upon them (and how is something a right if it is enforced?). Alas, my dream is impossible. It seems a lot of people are content with being governed. Some for more legitimate reasons than others, but for the rest it just seems to be for no other reason than that government allows them the freedom to stop thinking for themselves. Governments are like religious scapegoats: to some they are genuine and perhaps enlightening, but to others they are just excuses for blind passivity. I shouldn't even be discussing politics. My opinions have a habit of enraging people and causing me to lose "friends" and getting into some very unnecessarily heated discussions that usually result in me getting verbally attacked for no reason other than that the other person just doesn't like my opinions. I like arguments, I enjoy having a civil exchange of thoughts and ideas between two differing viewpoints, in hopes that both sides may bring some new ideas to the other, but in America when it comes to politics there is no such thing as a civil discussion. It amazes me the amount of discord that is created in this country based on politics. A country that was founded on autonomy and the beauty of free-thinking has turned into yet another pool of group-hate. I find no reason to hate someone for who they are or what they think. There is no logical basis for such hate at all. I wish this country was more polite, because perhaps then people would stop getting so entrenched in political parties based on how "cool" it is to be a part of a group, and may start to realize that we are all a part of one big group called humanity, and that we deserve a better life than what we've created for ourselves, and are forcefully creating for others. But I am ranting again, and on a topic that hasn't been touched on in a year. So I must shut up now.
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Post by WitchRider on Nov 5, 2012 18:59:32 GMT 2
A good thread for me! But for explaining my political views, i'll have to tell a lot about politics in Russia, and that's a very long and dull damn topic (but still, you may ask me if you want!).
The "not voting" or even "vote for other candidates" totally doesn't work, we have one party instead of two opposite ones in America, and it represents all the stuff for which the republicans or democrates are being hated by each other. Here in Soviet Russia the government is voting for you, the main rule of the voting machine is "it doesn't matter how it's voted, it does matter how it's counted", so actually all the elections is a damn farce, what else to say. So it's really easier for me to be non-political. When a bunch of people gets drunk, they always start talking about politics, religion and how they'd make life in Russia better if they were the president, and that's all politics of Russia, unfortunately.
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Post by Beard_Whisperer on Nov 6, 2012 15:15:58 GMT 2
Yep, unfortunately that same rule of "it does matter how it's counted" applies in America too. :/ I heard a lot about the outrage in Russia over this last election when Putin won, and on account of some very shady ballot counting. Politics just disturb me, and it really doesn't matter what the people want because the rulers are always going to get what they want first and fore-most. Speaking of elections being jokes. It is officially election day here in America. I must apologize to the rest of the world ahead of time, because I can guarantee whoever wins will not make things good for even those people outside of America...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2012 18:09:11 GMT 2
Speaking of elections being jokes. It is officially election day here in America. I must apologize to the rest of the world ahead of time, because I can guarantee whoever wins will not make things good for even those people outside of America... You shouldn't . You're not guilty for other people's bad doings. And don't worry, we know ....
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Post by celtickiwi on Jan 28, 2013 1:34:52 GMT 2
Do what the fuck you like so long as it doesn't harm anyone or anything
In all seriousness though, Left-wing pricks and multiculturalists piss me off, I'm more inclined to vote for right wing parties because i've seen what has happened to the English culture, land and people under successive Left wing parties,
shame, there's just too many damn people, wish we could all just go back to the way of our ancestors
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